Oh yeah, I agree with the movie being unnecessary, it just makes the characters look bad and wants to reel in the majority of the critics of back when Destiny aired (Kira will lose every single fight, Lacus will only make mistakes, Athrun won't be an idiot but will know everything about everyone and be everywhere at all times).Seto Kaiba wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:14 amLacus is far from the film's only victim. Kira, Shinn, Cagalli... they all have to behave like complete and total idiots in order for the story of this totally unnecessary movie that adds nothing to any of their characters work.seppe wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:58 am I had to make an account to thank you for saying this, I've been debating for a while on Youtube about FREEDOM and how it makes Lacus a complete idiot for the sake of plot, an unfaithful lover to Kira with the emotional intelligence of a child, an incompetent politician and has her sexually abused and almost raped.
The plot-convenient stupidity the story requires of Lacus has more sexist consequences than anyone else's because she's the token non-action girl of the Gundam SEED cast. She has to be endangered by more roundabout means because she's not a fighter. So that means kidnapping and being SA'd instead of being shot at like everyone else.
Well, that's the thing about Lacus... she's the token non-action girl. The chick. The love interest. She's there to be a macguffin and a "waifu" because otherwise there's not really a lot for her to do in the story. One of the few things that really sets her apart from the other macguffin princesses in the Gundam AUs is that she's got more going for her than just being The Princess and people actually respect her political nous where others like Relina Peacecraft, Marina Ismail, Kudelia Aina Bernstein, etc. are mostly just there to reflect on how inhumane war is and have someone else do all the heavy lifting in actually achieving peace.seppe wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:58 am I feel like nobody cares about her character other than the "waifu aspect" and having a movie about her relationship with Kira with both of them being out of character was a terrible choice. Every rebuttal I see is that "Kira thinks he's not good enough for Lacus" and "Lacus has to deal with politics for the first time and feels guilty about Kira fighting" which are made up things that can be easily discredited by watching every interaction they have in Destiny.
Also, in a 2 hours movie about their relationship they have 5-6 scenes together, 2 conversations (that aren't really conversations, one is just the I love you scene to make shippers stop complaining) and they hardly add up to 5 minutes.
The main characters have to act stupid and out of character and communicate incredibly poorly to make the plot work because nothing about how the previous story (Gundam SEED Destiny) ended really required another story to resolve. Destiny already gave the characters an ending to their various story arcs and there weren't that many dangling plot threads left, so they had to come up with somewhere new for the characters to go in the movie's plot and that change feels tacked-on, forced, and unnatural because it is. The writers of the previous installments had allowed the story to change organically as the characters developed, which has a very different feel to this all-in-one-go serial movie format even without the way that the story has to derail or reverse the previous character and story development to get one more story out of the characters.
I see your point with the Lacus thing, most of the scenes she's in are annoying, unpleasant and gross.
Since it was sold as a movie about Kira and Lacus' relationship, I'd have expected some introspection for the two of them, especially for Lacus, instead of Fukuda going along with that forced non-communication stuff he said about Lacus and Kira which, if he actually paid attention to his own two series, he would realise is not an actual thing. Not only is it annoying because it's false, it's annoying because they literally don't communicate, in their whole stay at Foundation Kira called out to Lacus once and that was it, in Artemis they just say they love each other (which they already know so making it the emotional climax of the movie is very weak) and when Lacus enters the Mighty Strike Freedom they speak like they are some action figures with pre-recorded lines.
I know they would have never focused on their relationship in a good way because Fukuda just treats Gundam as an advert, but there was so much they could have done with it. Just showing moments from the 2 years of peace in ORB, actually have Lacus deal with her guilty with giving Kira the Freedom and not have it be a throwaway line in the first 10 minutes of the movie, actually show what happened once they both joined ZAFT, since apparently Kira went from the happiest man ever from Final Plus to the most miserable one in Freedom, where only a few months would have passed.
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