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Transformers Movie Thread Mk II

Post by ShadowCell » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:46 pm

Last one (finally) hit 25 pages, so here we go with the new and improved version.
Nagi wrote:I don't consider the games to be canon, because if they are, then we have two Megatrons running around in the movie continuity (movie and G1).

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Post by Ravager » Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:24 pm

The movie and G1 are linked, so it's the one and only Megatron in both, no?
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Post by Nagi » Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:50 pm

Ravager wrote:The movie and G1 are linked, so it's the one and only Megatron in both, no?
I'm not sure I follow. Look, the game has two Megatrons in it as playable characters: the one we see in the movie (clawed hands, scrap metal appearance) and the one from the cartoon (blocky, turns into a gun). If we're going to take the game's roster as canon, then we must accept that there are twin Megatrons in the movie's continuity, which is obviously not the case.

And who says the cartoon and movie are connected? They're separate continuities as far as anyone I've talked to is aware.

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Post by swordoath » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:29 pm

It's really not the same thing though -- the G1 Optimus and Megatron skins in the game are just extra content, not separate characters. They replace their movie-styled counterparts when activated, but it doesn't change the game; Jazz doesn't comment on Optimus' sudden retro fashion sense.

The Mixmaster drone is specifically Mixmaster in the continuity that the game(s) presented. It was designed to be Mixmaster in the same way that the other movie characters were designed to be themselves, and it's specifically noted as such. In that same fashion, the PSP version has several other characters included as part of the "moviefied" crew, including Wheeljack, Hound, Thundercracker, Sideswipe, etc. etc.

G1 Megatron doesn't actually exist in movie continuity; the G1 skin was just put in place to give old-school Transformers fans like me and (presumably) you something fun to see/do in the game. However, the characters and entities specifically built into the game's events do seem to have a place in the continuity.
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Post by Ravager » Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:49 am

Oh, i thought you meant the animated movie when you said "movie". Yeah, i agree with what swordoath posted. The G1 Megatron skin is just extra content and not to be taken seriously.
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Post by razgriz » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:19 am

and it would definitely concentrate with the movie's new defined "style" star wars and gundam have alt. universes, y shouldnt transformers especially if it only betters the franchise
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Post by Nagi » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:43 am

razgriz wrote:and it would definitely concentrate with the movie's new defined "style" star wars and gundam have alt. universes, y shouldnt transformers especially if it only betters the franchise
Transformers does have alternate universes. It's had them since the 80s when Japan took the series up and went off on their own little Headmasters thing instead of (if I recall) the last part of the American third season. All I'm trying to say is that video game tie-ins typically shouldn't be taken as canon, especially when they re-enact the events from the movie for the most part. Unless the game is clearly, overtly designed to add to the story (like that one Matrix game that tied in to Reloaded), it should just be taken as an idle cash-in. Transformers doesn't do that, and in many ways contradicts the movie (Shockwave as a boss during the whole Sector Seven abduction of Bumblebee, Bumblebee wrecking the Sector Seven lab and fighting Megatron after acquiring the Allspark instead of being set free and escaping with Sam), so I don't think any Transformers that appear in the game should be considered unable to appear in the next movie in a different capacity.

And the only reason Scrapper and Mixmaster are even called "Scrapper" and "Mixmaster" in the game is due to a fan poll to name the unnamed video game Decepticons. They could've been named anything, and as a result should further not be considered as canon.

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Post by Thundermuffin » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:27 pm

I dare say Transformers has the most alternate universes/continuities of ANY science fiction property.

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Post by razgriz » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:32 am

hmm lets see about that...in terms of tv alone
theres G1-original
G1-headmasters
beast wars/machines (sorta alt./future of original G1)
beast wars japan
robots in disguise
unicron trilogy (armada, energon, cybertron)
new ugly CN series
and the 07 movies

yeah not including the comic books thats already a lot of continuities
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Post by Yuusha Tokkyu Might Gaine » Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:36 am

There were also a bunch of other japanese-only Transformers series, Victory being one of them
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Post by swordoath » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:00 pm

Not to mention that the Japanese version of Cybertron (Galaxy Force) is unrelated to the other two and was rewritten into a sequel for American television.
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Post by Jack » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:22 pm

Man, this is one horrible film. Michael Bay should be lashed to the back of a car with piano wire around his wrists and dragged across a cattle grid at high speed.

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Post by wraith1701 » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:40 pm

Jack wrote:Man, this is one horrible film. Michael Bay should be lashed to the back of a car with piano wire around his wrists and dragged across a cattle grid at high speed.
Wow; you don't beat around the bush, do you? :lol:

I admit that the movie had a few cringe-inducing moments, but I enjoyed it. Didn't go in expecting much, and I was pleasantly surprised.

It's interesting that people either love this movie, or hate it like poison. I haven't seen all that many comments from people who feel neutral about it. I guess that's natural with a franchise that has been around for so long. Makes me wonder what the reaction will be like to the Live Action Eva movie (if it ever gets made).

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Post by Charismatic Enigma » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:14 pm

Yeesh.

I must say that myself, my mom, and my sister all loved this film. In fact my sister nos says that it's one of her favorites. In any case, to each their own.
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Post by Jack » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:53 pm

wraith1701 wrote:
Jack wrote:Man, this is one horrible film. Michael Bay should be lashed to the back of a car with piano wire around his wrists and dragged across a cattle grid at high speed.
Wow; you don't beat around the bush, do you? :lol:

I admit that the movie had a few cringe-inducing moments, but I enjoyed it. Didn't go in expecting much, and I was pleasantly surprised.

It's interesting that people either love this movie, or hate it like poison. I haven't seen all that many comments from people who feel neutral about it. I guess that's natural with a franchise that has been around for so long. Makes me wonder what the reaction will be like to the Live Action Eva movie (if it ever gets made).
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Post by Lert » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:07 pm

Yet, you keep going to his movies ..
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Post by Jack » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:28 pm

I've never paid to see a Michael Bay film, and never would.

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Post by wing zero alpha » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:36 pm

Jack wrote:I've never paid to see a Michael Bay film, and never would.
Then how did you get to see this one short of sneaking in the movie theater or watching a rip via internet?

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Post by ShadowCell » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:49 pm

And why do you continue to watch them at all?

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Post by ZGMF-X28A Nu-Liberty » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:56 pm

Why bother watching a movie you're just going to insult afterwards? That's three words: dumb, stupid, and idiotic. And it serves no purpose at all.
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