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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by denbo786 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:53 am

Here's a link to Melissa Tanaka interview about her experience translating The Origin http://reversethieves.com/2013/08/05/me ... he-origin/. $50 bucks to the first person who reads the article & doesn't slam their head off the table.

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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by bullethead » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:33 am

denbo786 wrote:Here's a link to Melissa Tanaka interview about her experience translating The Origin http://reversethieves.com/2013/08/05/me ... he-origin/. $50 bucks to the first person who reads the article & doesn't slam their head off the table.
This is the part that made me go WTF:
I also speak to both American and Japanese fans of the original Gundam. In Japan, it has at least the cultural significance that something like the original Star Wars does here, so there are lines and scenes that remain near and dear to fans’ hearts. Which lines and scenes those are might be different on either side of the Pacific. So, to my mind, one of the most important and challenging things about this project is to genuinely and accurately convey what made those moments so memorable to the longtime Japanese fans, without alienating the English-speaking fans who may have grown up on different interpretations. I hope those moments come through to the newcomers, too, and draw them into the shared experience of the fandom.
Lady, you're not writing the translation for the Japanese fans. You're doing it for everyone who isn't Japanese.

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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by Angelo Sauper » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:55 am

bullethead wrote:Lady, you're not writing the translation for the Japanese fans. You're doing it for everyone who isn't Japanese.
What's the problem? That paragraph is about keeping the original spirit of the manga but making it accessible to non-Japanese fans... Then again, I haven't read Origin.

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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by Chris » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:10 pm

My research consists of watching the series and the movies, and frequently referencing resources like gundam.wikia.com to check the details.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Why on Earth would anyone do this when Mark Simmons is an email away?
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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by bullethead » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:16 pm

Angelo Sauper wrote:
bullethead wrote:Lady, you're not writing the translation for the Japanese fans. You're doing it for everyone who isn't Japanese.
What's the problem? That paragraph is about keeping the original spirit of the manga but making it accessible to non-Japanese fans... Then again, I haven't read Origin.
The implication here is that her translation is emphasizing what the Japanese feel is significant, instead of letting the work speak for itself. And it could explain some of the really weird translation choices we've seen so far.

Then again, I think it shows how badly the translation and editing fields need to hire actual English majors (preferably creative writing/editing, writing, & media folks) to go over works and make sure they read/sound right.
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My research consists of watching the series and the movies, and frequently referencing resources like gundam.wikia.com to check the details.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Why on Earth would anyone do this when Mark Simmons is an email away?
Never mind Mark Simmons, why the hell didn't Sunrise/Kodansha give her all this stuff before she started translating it. It's one thing to use a good wiki like Memory Alpha to look up stuff so you can find the episode it was in, it's another to use a barely sourced wiki as a primary resource when the people you're working for should have all the info anyway.

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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by Deacon Blues » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:19 pm

I've been translating Gundam manga for nearly ten years now... Gundam the Origin is NOT as difficult as she makes it out to be. Though I do love how the excuse of "translation is an invisible work" comes through. It's the translators VOICE that is supposed to be minimalized. However, like she said about changes later one, Char speaking Shakespearean just doesn't cut the mustard.

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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by Angelo Sauper » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:24 pm

Chris wrote:
My research consists of watching the series and the movies, and frequently referencing resources like gundam.wikia.com to check the details.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Why on Earth would anyone do this when Mark Simmons is an email away?
Gundam Wiki.

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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by toysdream » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:24 pm

None of the comments in the interview strike me as unreasonable - sounds like she gave it a lot of thought and worked hard to research everything. (The Gundam wikia has its problems, but I'm sure it's good enough reference for a non-technical work like The Origin. It's not like there are any other accessible encyclopedic sources for Gundam info any more.)

Ultimately, it's about the quality of the translation and the readability of the end product, and most English-speaking fans can only really assess the latter (aside from trivial details like rank translations).

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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by Kratos » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:38 pm

Isn't the Gundam just missing its head and an arm in the "final shot" pose?

Anyways, it's worth noting that the "Final Shot" pose is on the cover of Aizouban 11. It's pretty iconic, so I imagine its chances are pretty good - and if Vertical condenses the series, you may just get your wish for it being on the final volume, too.
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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by HellCat » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:11 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lyi2RSV ... r_embedded

Aside from the fact this looks like entertaining, I'm amused we're getting this now with the Gundam version on the way.

I hear in this one as a child Pikachu killed another Pichu and stole his identity.
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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by RLZIII » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:20 pm

Pocket Monsters: The Origin is something I'm really looking forward to. As a big fan of the Pokémon main series games (is it bad that I own all twenty of the main series games...plus all four Japanese Gen I games...and have Pokémon X and Y already preordered?), this is something I've wanted for a long time: an anime that chronicles the original story of Pokémon Red/Green/Blue/Yellow, instead of one that follows Ash and Pikachu. While we don't know the full format, it has been confirmed to be a special, not a full anime. That could mean one hour-long special, or that could mean several 30-minute episodes; we just don't know right now. But, so far, it looks awesome. Hoping (and dreaming) for similar specials for Pokémon Generations II through VI. Perhaps if this does well the remaining Gens could be done as OVAs.

Anyway, back to Gundam: Vertical has stated that so far orders for volume 3 of the Origin are doing great; better than volume 2! That's always good news! It's comforting to see the series isn't a complete failure.

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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by Xenosynth » Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:53 pm

As someone who was satisfied with Gundam: The Origin's translation so far, I can't really complain too much, there are occasional hiccups but it's still a pretty solid translation, at least in terms of the dialogue. And it's not like she's translating the tech manuals and whatnot using the Gundam wiki >.>;; I dunno. I just think people are being a bit too critical and harsh about the whole thing.

Anyway, good news about Volume 3's preorders. I think we might actually get the full run =D

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Post by Chris » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:43 am

Xenosynth wrote:I think we might actually get the full run =D
I wish people would stop saying this, because Vertical has gone over this about a thousand times. We are getting the full run regardless. It's a question of how big the print run will be for each volume based on sales.
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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by Xenosynth » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:24 am

Ahh, I didn't realize. I kept seeing people go on and off on twitter and whatnot about how 'PREORDER NOW SO WE CAN MAKE SURE IT COMPLETES!" even recently. Sorry >.<

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Post by MV6000 the Ace Zeon Pilot » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:03 am

Yeah they plan to do a full run but the only way to actually get your copies are by pre-ordering them since they will be limited.

I plan to pre-order them all through Amazon. So far I have Volumes III and IV pre-ordered.
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Post by Dendrobium Stamen » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:04 pm

MV6000 the Ace Zeon Pilot wrote:Yeah they plan to do a full run but the only way to actually get your copies are by pre-ordering them since they will be limited.
Well, the only guaranteed way; I've seen a couple of copies in the comics/manga section of Waterstones up on Oxford Street, so it appears some stock orders are coming from traditional brick-and-mortar retailers, but it'd be sheer dumb luck to find one which had The Origin on the shelf waiting to be bought :roll:
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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by RLZIII » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:26 am

MV6000 the Ace Zeon Pilot wrote:Yeah they plan to do a full run but the only way to actually get your copies are by pre-ordering them since they will be limited.

I plan to pre-order them all through Amazon. So far I have Volumes III and IV pre-ordered.
Don't forget to preorder volume five also! It's been up on Amazon for some time now...
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MV6000 the Ace Zeon Pilot wrote:Yeah they plan to do a full run but the only way to actually get your copies are by pre-ordering them since they will be limited.
Well, the only guaranteed way; I've seen a couple of copies in the comics/manga section of Waterstones up on Oxford Street, so it appears some stock orders are coming from traditional brick-and-mortar retailers, but it'd be sheer dumb luck to find one which had The Origin on the shelf waiting to be bought :roll:
There are still copies at my local Barnes and Nobles, so they are floating around. Essentially Vertical is printing enough to last them a little while, but after a short time all of the copies are out of their warehouse and are either in houses or on shelves. But as time goes by they will become harder and harder to find. So I wouldn't be one of those people who won't buy a series until it's complete in this case, because you won't be able to find the previous volumes for a good price by the time the series is done. I am ordering two of each in order to have a set for myself and another complete, unused set for future selling.

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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by RLZIII » Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:28 am

In case anyone missed it, Volume 6 became available for preorder a few days ago. Check it out: http://amzn.com/1939130204

Also, the cover for Volume 4: http://vertical-inc.tumblr.com/image/61800639325

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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by Kratos » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:55 am

Excellent, preordered! Thanks RLZ. I quite like "To War" as the title, too (the Japanese edition uses the English "Starting A War", one of its more awkward Aizouban titles).

The cover looks cool - though I would like to see a balance between MS and characters.
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Re: Gundam: The Origin Preorders

Post by HellCat » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:20 am

Book 3 isn't out until tomorrow? *eyes the copy he's had since Friday* Huh.
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