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What supports that, though? In S1, it's shown to be a 'mere' security measure on multiple occassions (the times we see the Meisters log in, the shock and surprise when Ali is able to jack the Zwei). In S2, the twin-drive system limitation of Exia and 0 is only ever described as a technical limitation; nothing in-series implied that the system was refusing to start up because Tieria was an Innovade. (The system started up just fine when Revive jacked it later in S2, and no one had any reason but to expect that if Ribbons had gotten the 00, he would have been able to use it.)

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What we do know is that only Setsuna has become a true Innovator, and no one else yet has done so similarly. And that exposure to the Twin Drive System is essential for creating an Innovator.

This would conversely imply that a normal GN Drive isn't related to instigating Innovation, I reckon. Or at least it can't create the circumstances neccesary for it to happen.

It may simply be a case of Setsuna being exposed long enough to the TDS' effects, whereas Saji and the others are not (as of yet).
Saji may be the closest to becoming an Innovator though, since he's only 2nd to Setsuna when it comes to TDS exposure.

The gunshot wound being responsible for triggering Setsuna's Innovation isn't making much sense IMO.
At most, the examination of the wound made it clear that Setsuna was already undergoing change, by observing that the poisenous radiation effects where inexplicably curbed instead of killing him slowly but surely.


This is a reaction to Quasadra's post in the mecha thread:


I believe to have read somewhere that the CB scientists responsible for the GN Drives were supposedly killed off in order to prevent the associated technology from ending up in the wrong hands.
If so I'm willing to bet some didn't willingly agree to be sacrificed like that, which might be related to the wrecked Jupitris discoverd by Corner's men 80 years prior to events of season 1.

And according to the 00I manga Innovados were already around in AD 2188 and, more importantly, were probably a part of CB's Jupiter missions. Innovados were perhaps even created to make the Jupiter missions possible in the first place, in order to cope with a prolonged (decades or more) stay in space.

It would continue the ironic trend of Celestial Being (unwittingly?) creating its own enemies, just like Corner and Ribbons before.

The remark in "Season 2, Official File 6" (as translated by Good Haro) is interesting therefore:



Proto-Ribbons as the movie's main villain?..

If anybody can understand Japanese, the Amazon review by "Exuberance?" seems to enlighten us on a number of things CUT from SE1: http://www.amazon.co.jp/product-reviews/B002H0PV28/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful/376-7888078-6170512?ie=UTF8&coliid=&showViewpoints=1&colid=&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

If not, via Google translator and reading between the lines:

*Aeolian statement (Wait, they couldn't have cut off Aeolia's speech, could they?)
*"I first battle Rokkuonsutoratosu" cut off (I have no idea what this means)
*"I have a Gundam", and then cut each scene of battle (Not sure, either. Maybe this means the Ceylon fight when Setsuna says he is a Gundam, but this might mean that the actual battle is revised to be just Gundam vs. HRL MS)
*"Only five minutes and completely destroyed it," cut scenes of battle Moraria (This probably refers to the latter news report/aftermath of Moralia fight).
*Dyunamesu capacity, high-altitude bombardment, cut the whole episode (AKA: No super big gun and Setsuna cutting up the clouds, and no Al saving Saji/Louise & meeting Sergei).
*"Had been exposed to this early Nadore" cut almost every episode (AKA: glossed over/condensed Sergei's Gundam capture mission and Nadleeh's first reveal).
*"The virtue of hard, Gundam!" Cut every battle scene (Don't have a clue)
*Bedroom break-like cut scenes, the moment Marina (Less Marina and less Batman-Setsuna?)
*Was destroyed by a Agurissa "or I die" almost cut scenes (Less of Setsuna getting attacked by Ali's Agrissa, I guess)
*Graham, "there to surpass even the Asura" cut every battle scene (No Asura or Avenging Angel line from Graham. Ouch. That cut kind of hurts).
*U.S. President, AEU Congress, people who are proud of leather cut almost entirely (Little scenes from political leaders; though, there wasn't a whole lot they did in-series anyway. I liked the atmosphere they gave early on, though, and this sounds like they might still be given snippits).
*Flag Fighter, also cutting the whole (No Flag Fighters?! Does that hurt Graham's motivation?)
*Soresuta絹江's investigation, and cut the whole works out the final (Not a lot of Saji's sister, it seems).
*Leather people, and space warfare, large-scale maneuvers in the desert, Setsuna vs Trinity, exercise Trans Am, LOCK vs Sashesu, please change the world, a fusion of thought and reflection, but we Gundam I, scene name and everything off just to digest. (Sounds like heavy edits/losses to the desert battle, Setsuna vs. Team Trinity, first Trans-Am fight, and Lockon vs. Ali to name a few...).

NOW, after looking around blogs and doing some research, some things that seem to be ADDED:

*Ribbons is shown in 0 Gundam
*Some alteration of Setsuna crashing the start of the AEU exercise
*New transformation scene for Kyrios during Ceylon fight
*Moralia battle adds new Dynames/Exia fight scenes
*Kyrios, when captured by Soma, possibly doesn't make it to HRL transport. Hal wakes up early and uses his pincer to escape and cut off Soma's MS' leg.
*Alejandro and Ribbons talking scenes
*Setsuna, Saji, and Louise sit on a park bench together and talk over a portable video device.
*Extended shot of Lockon floating off in space with a shattered visor after his final battle
*Setsuna driving a jeep in the desert with goggles and scarf (ala Quatre).

I'd like a more complete and accurate list than this, but this is the best I can muster. Hopefully others will clarify and add more as time goes on. ...I expected some of these cuts...but this is starting to sound like it won't go as smoothly as I hoped.

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Haven't sat down and watched the whole thing from beginning to end yet, but I can confirm that at least the following are still there:
-Krugis Prologue (extended a bit)
-Exia vs. Enact, Dynames vs. Hellions, Kyrios/Virtue vs. terrorists (the context of these battles has been changed though; as such, they're shorter and Patrick isn't seen or heard from at all lol)
-Exia vs. Graham part 1
-Moralia conflict (if this is the extended action scenes that someone posted earlier, then obviously it's still there; otherwise, I don't know)
-Exia vs. Ali
-Trans-Am Exia vs. Ali
-Dynames vs. Ali (pretty sure this is extended too)
-Alejandro vs. Exia ("Decisive Battle" has been edited in as the battle theme here, which makes this 100x cooler)
-Graham vs. Exia finale (they removed Graham's last words though; after the two suits ram into each other, we only see/hear Setsuna's "G-Gundam..." before the explosion)

Those are definitely included in SE1. If I didn't list something, it's not necessarily because it was cut, just that I haven't gotten around to it yet (like I said, I haven't watched the whole thing, I've just been randomly skimming through it so far). There is one battle that I'm pretty sure has been cut, and that's Graham vs. Johann.

The "Dead Lockon floating in space with shattered helmet" and Setsuna in a jeep with goggles in the desert scenes are likely just taken from the Gundam Meisters video game.

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It's worth noting that the whole epilogue is almost completely different. The whole parts that remain are Setsuna's narrated letter to Marina and Ian unveiling the 0 and 00 Gundams to Liu Mei. The new epilogue also confirms that Setsuna and Tieria survived (where the end of episode 25 left it ambiguous).

...did the start of the second season not make that obvious or something?

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Obviously. I was just saying that SE1 ends with showing that Setsuna and Tieria are alive (not Allelujah though), whereas episode 25 ended with them last being seen floating in their Gundams.

Because everyone knows that now, whereas it was wanted kept ambiguous for the year between the seasons

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I know. I'm just pointing out changes that were made between the tv series and the Special Edition.

That was more to ShadowCell than you

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Hey, I really appreciate the info Rawinder! Keep it coming!!! [when/if you have time]

That's too bad about Patrick getting the ax in that first scene. That's my favorite scene with him. Any word on some of those other encounters I had on the list, like Sergei vs. Exia (IE: "That head of yours--I'm taking it!") or the Taribia fight? And how bad did they shorten the UN desert battle? (there used to be this killer shot of Exia chasing down some Flags or Enacts and chopping them up mid-air). Weird that Graham vs. Johann is gone, considering that's how Graham gets the saber he uses vs. Exia in the last episode.

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Yes, the Sergei fight is in there (or least, the scene you mentioned is there; I don't remember if the fight is supposed to be longer than that).

I didn't notice it before, but the transition to that scene is really bad. After Graham flies away after his first battle with Setsuna, the very next shot is of Sergei flying towards towards Exia (at which point he then grabs his face). The idea here is that all of CB's armed interventions from the first few episodes are being edited together as a sort of montage of their actions on Earth, rather than each conflict being its own full-fledged battle. I think it works for the most part, but in this case you get something like Setsuna vs Graham then cutting immediately to Setsuna vs Sergei, which is a little jarring.

Desert battle is still there. Not sure how short it is compared to the tv version (it lasts about 5 minutes before the Trinities show up), though I don't think that shot of Setsuna chopping through Flags made the cut. The Graham vs. Dynames scene from your list is still there though.

Thanks again. Hmm. Originally Setsuna cut through about two Tierens, and then Sergei flies in, drops his rifle, and charges Setsuna, grabbing Exia's head. So, they might have cut a few seconds. (And obviously they cut the cool dialogue beforehand where Sergei says he 'doesn't believe anything until he sees it for himself'). But still, I can see the montage idea working for the most part with the early interventions--it'd especially work for the really quick ones in Africa's mining area and the drug fields in South America. I guess that might mean that Graham's interference in Taribia might be skipped if its just a quick overview of the conflict. Same with the Tierens vs. Anfs in Ceylon prior to Exia's appearance. With the Azadistan section, it's nice to hear that Lockon and Graham get their scene, but how does that affect Setsuna's two fights against the Anfs (in the city at night, and then in Krugis at dawn when he realizes he isn't the same as 0 Gundam)?

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I got to see a couple of the new scenes at my cousin's last night. We already saw the most impressive, with the altered Dynames/Exia Moralia fight.

The Trans-Am Dynames scene only amounts to Lockon activating Trans-Am and doing some fancy loop-de-loops around the enemy ships before shooting them down, instead of simply blasting them head-on in the series. Also, when Ali damages the GN Arms, Haro starts hollering what I must assume is "Trans-Am over! Trans-Am over! Trans-Am over!" before Dynames detaches.

The end credits had scenes of the next SE. Some new 00 Gundam footage from its maiden launch, better showing off its "swirly whirlpool" GN shields.

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I think most of the fights, with the exception of Moralia, HRL's Gundam Capture Operation, and Dynames's brief shine in Trans-Am got the short end of the stick. Most of them are cut really short, poorly transitioned, and usually lacking transitions within the fight. For Ex:

Exia vs GN Flag - GN Flag never cuts Exia's arm, but a second later, its gone
Dynames vs Zwei - No Daryl crashing in, and once again, Dynames loses its arm out of thin air.
Exia vs Alvatorre - Its a big threat, but it dies in less than a minute with some poorly transitioned scenes with GN Arms.
Big Three vs Gundams - Again, way too rushed, it ends almost immediately after it begins. Also, Virtue was never saved on-screen.

Now, I know the SE is supposed to be Setsuna's recounting based on how much voice-over he had in it, but really, some of this is ridiculous. I feel that perhaps splitting the Season 1 into 2 parts could have saved the SE from rushing everything into oblivion.

What exactly is better about the HRL Gundam capture in SE1? Does it unfold differently as I've heard? (Any Lieutenant Ming? Any Kyrios ripping out of the container?)

...Well, at any rate, hearing all this, I think I'll eventually be picking up those Season 1 DVDs, after all. But that new Moralia fight probably means an SE1 purchase sometime in the future, too. Ugh, SUNRISE and their double-dip techniques. Season 2 was much less memorable for me, so there's less I'm expecting from SE2. Do we even know yet how they're going to break Season 2 up episode-wise in SE2?

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Yeah, Lockon takes down the first two ships, and then while he's getting nailed by both Ali and the third ship, Trans-Am expires.



Yeah, Lasse goes down pretty quickly lol.



Huh? If you're talking about when Lockon loses his eye, that's still there.



No Ming.



It'll be split pretty evenly, SE2 will cover episodes 1-13.

should just call it Cliffsnotes on Gundam 00 season 1

Ah, sorry, wasn't clear there. I meant the Desert battle. Kyrios and Dynames gets downed by missiles and exploding Realdos, only to be attacked by Soma and the HRL a second later inside a trench was was NOT EXPLAINED for this time (as in, no Burst Mode for Virtue). A few seconds later, we see Virtue and Exia struggling at night, when they've never been introduced into the conflict. Then suddenly, all the Gundams are running. Everything is just so rushed that it seemed like it'd be so much better if this SE was split into 2, preferably right before the introduction of the Trinities.