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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:22 pm 
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Awesome, we got an artfag, and a director. Now for a writerfag who can type/write the scenes needed and how to develop each characaters story

Instead of just one writer, how about a small group? Say, three or four, who are also good at editing? Now, I don't mean they should each do one route separately; rather, they all work together on one single route at a time, so it remains coherent.

I dunno if that approach will really work in practice, considering that everyone is different and whatnot, but I think it'd be a good idea. Plus, this is clearly not some sort of way for me to weasel my way into the "dev team", so to speak. No sirree, it isn't. Nope.

Edit: Also, have we decided on names for male!OC yet?


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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:32 pm 
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Overlord Zaru wrote:
Awesome, we got an artfag, and a director. Now for a writerfag who can type/write the scenes needed and how to develop each characaters story.

We will first experiment with the BoyOC and develop till the part where the player chooses what girl to fall in love with. And all that jazz.

Also, is anyone updating that thread on /m/? We need to keep it alive.


I haven't touch the /m/ thread in a while, so it may be dead. However, we can certainly make new threads later on. /M/ will be more willing to contribute once we show something, with the amount of stillborn projects, I can understand that some people are cynical.

Also, quick question, you're the director or me? Because I'd presume it's you, but normally people don't talk about themselves in the 3rd person like that.

Initial development plan sounds right, I would suggest we examine the timeline that we know (we can always fill in the gaps, some episodes did have large periods of time in between) we have to work around and then figure out points where we can alter the story. It should be pretty straightforward, but it's best to be analytical about that.

edit: just saw Temjin's post.

As a current writing director for another project, I can safely say that there are a lot of ways to make that work. The way I've handled things is that I usually come up with the story lay out and events, with my writers filling things out. However, I'd suggest this be less top-down. We should brainstorm and agree on the basic structures and the interweaving plot lines as a group, but individual story paths should be the domain of one (or a few) dedicated writers. That being said, one person should definitely be in charge of overseeing the OC to make sure the seperate writers don't accidentally hijack him this way and that.

Finally, we've got nothing on names so far. But I think that might be premature... not to mention that this is CB, we can call them whatever the hell we want.

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We might also need a code monkey.... been talking with my coding guru and he tells me that ren'py is shite unless the story is simple. Multi stories and stuff like that is more or less out of the question with it. Not to mention some other restrictions.


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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:09 pm 
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We first start off with a prologue, similar to Setsuna's. The BoyOC could be hiding as his family goes to battle against another nation. When the smoke clears, he see's the 0 Gundam.

Maybe we could have the BoyOC come from a nation like Argentina if its the Union attacking, Crete if the AEU, and Singapore if its the HRL.

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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:10 pm 
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Just saw Justin's edited post:

We can do all the brainstorming on my FF.net forum, I could even bring one of my Gundam-savy friends over to help if possible.

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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:19 pm 
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Only part I'm unsure of is the 0 Gundam involvement. Also, will the OC be the same age as Setsuna? Because part of Setsuna's appeal to be a meister was that he had combat experience despite his age.

If he's a little older, then we could have him in a military. Perhaps even stumbling onto the testing of a prototype 3rd Generation Gundam where he gets captured alive. Over time, learning about the organization and wanting to be a part of it and their mission.


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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:25 pm 
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That could work too, maybe because he has many family members die due to their "Loyalty" to their nation(Die for your country, no matter what cost).

I could try to get some FF.net guys I know to help out, or we could try to recruit more via /m/.

What would be the first girl you become introduced to to start a Romance route with. The CB main girls(Feldt, Sumeragi, and Christina?). Or maybe Wang(may show interest and feel connection on wanting to change the world).

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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:32 pm 
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More or less, I am the co-director/producer, the other writers who get in on this will be as well.

Justin could be the head-director, more or less.

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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:34 pm 
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I think /m/ should wait until we're on solid ground. Recruiting from other pools should be more effective. Take things to /m/ when we have something to show.

If we go the prisoner route for the male OC, I'd say we start with Feldt or Christina. They'd be the ones you'd see at first (let's start it off with you captured, have that as part of the influencing story), and then bring in Sumeragi once you're part of the team and Wang a little later. I've rewatched eps 1 and 2 so far, and in ep 2 Wang shows up to talk to the meisters... even Setsuna knows who she is. So, she should be introduced and established before the interventions start.

That being said, the early stuff shouldn't be too consequential, maybe it hints at how to handle those girls. Or maybe even tip the scales between a good end and a true end.


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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:31 pm 
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Temjin 747FF wrote:
Instead of just one writer, how about a small group? Say, three or four, who are also good at editing? Now, I don't mean they should each do one route separately; rather, they all work together on one single route at a time, so it remains coherent


Routes written separately by different people = sounds like Sengoku Rance.

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Maybe we could have the BoyOC come from a nation like Argentina if its the Union attacking, Crete if the AEU, and Singapore if its the HRL.


It kind of makes more sense in if it would be the Balkan/Slavic states for the AEU, and then Sri Lanka, Taiwan or one of the former Soviet states for the HRL.

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The CB main girls(Feldt, Sumeragi, and Christina?). Or maybe Wang(may show interest and feel connection on wanting to change the world).


If you slide Tieria to the 100% female side of the scale, would "she" count?


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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:51 pm 
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Justin6477 wrote:
We might also need a code monkey.... been talking with my coding guru and he tells me that ren'py is shite unless the story is simple. Multi stories and stuff like that is more or less out of the question with it. Not to mention some other restrictions.

I see... hmmm. That may be why Katawa Shoujo is taking so long. Well, that and the drama, complaining fans, etc., etc.. Can you ask your coding guru how Unity and Game Maker hold up? I think those are our other two options, unless there's another open-source VN-making software out there.

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Maybe we could have the BoyOC come from a nation like Argentina if its the Union attacking, Crete if the AEU, and Singapore if its the HRL.

I'm all for pushing for either Crete or Singapore (Crete moreso). However, if we go with this, how are we going to fit Ali in?

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Only part I'm unsure of is the 0 Gundam involvement. Also, will the OC be the same age as Setsuna? Because part of Setsuna's appeal to be a meister was that he had combat experience despite his age.

If he's a little older, then we could have him in a military. Perhaps even stumbling onto the testing of a prototype 3rd Generation Gundam where he gets captured alive. Over time, learning about the organization and wanting to be a part of it and their mission.

Personally, I'd like to see male!OC as someone who's maybe a year or two older than Setsuna. Not as much combat experience, but his saving grace should be... I dunno, his uncanny reflexes, for example. Something that'd make him a good candidate for "Meister-hood", or whatever.

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What would be the first girl you become introduced to to start a Romance route with. The CB main girls(Feldt, Sumeragi, and Christina?). Or maybe Wang(may show interest and feel connection on wanting to change the world).


I'm gonna have to with Justin's suggestion and say Feldt, if we go the "POW" route. I think Wang would be a good second candidate, and we could even have it set so male!OC joined CB thanks to Wang pulling a few strings.


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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:02 pm 
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Temjin 747FF wrote:
I'm all for pushing for either Crete or Singapore (Crete moreso). However, if we go with this, how are we going to fit Ali in?


I don't really get why it should be Singapore.

Anyway, Unity and Game Maker make games outright. Programming for a visual novel would relatively be less intense. If you want actual gameplay to go with the novel sections, that is.

If you want an easy VN engine, try Novelty. Of course, there are others, like Kirikiri.


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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:06 pm 
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I'll ask about the other systems.

With Ali, remember he not only was a merc, but would act as part of the formal militaries with aliases. So we could involve him any number of ways.

As for Setsuna, he's 16 when S1 starts and has been with CB since he was 14. So 2 years of training. I figure if our character starts at 19 (Maybe was captured at 18) that should be good. One thing to remember is that the prior wars were a decade or so before 00 starts, so our hero would've been a peacetime pilot that only had mock battles.

Regarding the Wang inclusion for bailing you out, you'd have to include Wang before the capture. Because she's a wealthy supporter, she wouldn't be interrogating some prisoner. To use her, my suggestion would be for you to have a prologue scene where you're part of her attache. As a high value citizen and possibly a funder of gov't projects, they'd give her an escort in certain circumstances. That'd have to be our seed, but it might feel a little forced. Then again, we can always cut that out and stick with Feldt and Christina.

edit: Including Wang of course would require an HRL influenced country.


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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:36 pm 
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Weren't we including all Season1 Girls on CB? So Wang would be a route, probably one of the earliest, with either Nena or Sumeragi being the Latest.

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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:44 pm 
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I'd say all girls, except maybe Christina. I'm ok with leaving her out.

Another thing with route development and choices, I think we're going to have to make the routes exclusive after a point (unless of course we make purposeful multi-girl routes) to make sure the character isn't going every which way. We'll have to keep that in mind when planning things out to insure that chances are fair to the routes that start later yet still allow us to have some early development.


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 Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:39 pm 
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 Post Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:31 am 
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Alright, heres the link for that thread from /m/ Juubi

http://boards.4chan.org/m/res/5054147

BasicallyI believe we need a writer to help typ out scenes on the flow of story and the different routes the character will do.

I reconmend lurking here and in that /m/ thread for more info.

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I can program with gamemaker or flash
If you guys want i could make an engine but it would take time

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 Post Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 12:48 pm 
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I think we already have a game generator, don't we Justin?

Also, who wants to be in charge of certain routes concerning on how to direct our OC down a specific path(if he goes with Wang, say he only works for her and not CB, or if he goes with Feldt/Sumeragai he is always with CB).

Of course at the Romantic parts of the story we may have some Lemony stuff, or says what the /m/tards want.

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 Post Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:47 pm 
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Well, ren'py is apparently out of the question based on the scope of what we want. Not sure about game maker. A tailored engine is the most ideal scenario, but we need to consider whether we'd want to have the project be lengthened by that.

To decide on the engine, we'll need to lay out exactly what we want and eliminate whatever can't handle it until we get to the result we want.

I was planning on typing up a rough draft for the male oc this weekend, but I suddenly got busy. Hopefully I'll find time to take care of that sooner than later. Once it's agreed upon, it'll give us a firm foundation for later parts of the story.


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 Post Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:11 pm 
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there is a lot you can do with game maker... Having an engine designed from the ground up for your project will allow you to make a game which is more tailor forwhat you want. but its up to you guys i guess.

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