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 Post Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:40 am 
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Due to most Gundams being set, or mostly set in space you rarely see animals much. However, recently I have been watching Victory Gundam, and it never ceases to amaze me how smart that dog the League has. Have dogs gotten smarter or evolved in UC? Or is he just so smart for plot convinence?


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It's plot. Evolution, despite being a misnomer, theoretically takes thousands and thousands of years to occur.

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maybe it was the end of that thousands of years and the dogs brain just got bigger so they can learn how to sit and roll over better

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Does a Haro counted as animal?

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No. Haro is a robot toy built by Amuro (And later mass produced). Not a single thing animal about him...

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...you couldn't tell it was a robot? *slaps self*

but didn't the have newtype monkies in a manga or comic book?

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Yeah, Crossbone: Skull Heart had Zeon testing Newtype Monkey's with the MS-06MS Barbus, which took crap flinging to a whole new level! :P

Although not in UC, you also have those Newtype Dolphins from Gundam X. I think that may be the only other case where animals really play a major role in Gundam (Unless you count that little baby monkey we see during the attack on Zeta, and Kamille watches it get blown up :shock: ).

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Unit type: monkey use special mobile suit
Armament: Gelgoog beam rifle x 4
Notes: Continuing Crossbone Gundam's tradition of bizarre mobile suits is this machine, a heavily modified MS-06F Zaku II piloted by Newtype monkeys.


now why would they think of giving monkey's giant robots? they're not that smart. they'd just use it to steal bananas or something stupid like that

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They would obviously use it to get revenge on the Earth Federation for those monkeys that died in Jaburo during the AEUG attack.


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It's plot. Evolution, despite being a misnomer, theoretically takes thousands and thousands of years to occur.


I understand the theory but as far as Gundam goes the emergence of Newtypes strikes me as the same thing as evolution. Only in outer space and under the intense pressure of war do Newtypes seem to come forth. Seems to me Gundam has the same loophole on evolution as, say, X-Men: that under certain rare conditions evolution is accelerated in individuals.

As far as a lack of pets in UC, well, when you're overpopulated you gotta get your protein somehow. :D Take it from Amuro you can always built your own pet later. "Amuro, genki ka?"


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accelerated evolution is one thing, FORCED evolution is another and that can usually lead to a much uglier situation, probably why we arent cloning animals and people left and right nowadays even though the technology is feasible.

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Animals in Gundam? You mean like those two monkeys that Tomino had mercilessly slaughtered on-screen in the AEUG's attack on Jaburo in Zeta? lol

As for being on-topic, if you look around on the net and on the news sometimes, you can find a few smart dogs like Flanders here and there.


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Speaking of animals, there are birds in the skies of each colonies. Do their brains exceed the size of a peanut as well?
I bet you can find more animals in Turn A, after all, Loren used to worked at a farm.

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Magnus wrote:
I understand the theory but as far as Gundam goes the emergence of Newtypes strikes me as the same thing as evolution.

However, 'evolution', in that sense of the word, implies that you're entering a state that had not been entered by humanity before. In the case of newtypes this would make no sense, since humans have been able to awaken to that ability/understanding in ages long before that which Gundam is set in.

I think that is the reason that people are described as 'awakening' to their newtype abilities (and not evolving into them), is because the possibility exists/existed for everyone. Certain experiences do cause it to become more likely to happen, but that's not evolution, that's just learning to use the potential (note that this word is used in Gundam as well) that already existed.

To put it simply, when a child becomes able to self-reflect (or should we say, 'becomes aware of its ability to self-reflect'? Same thing in the end), it's only then that it can begin to desire things for abstract reasons, and perform actions with that as it's power source. We certainly wouldn't call that 'further evolution', since from the very beginning, humans had that. I think the theory of 'newtypes' can be compared to this.

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Didn't Turn A have dolphin's?

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That was Gundam X.

Newtype dolphins.


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The BABUs are actually piloted, if the image I've seen are any indication, by chimpanzees, which are apes, not monkeys.

And Gundam X didn't have Newtype Dolphins, it had a Newtype Dolphin. Just the white one - the others were regular dolphins.

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Yeah. Normal dolphins, being mind-controlled by the white one then. Sure.

The white one always seems to cause trouble.

I still await Zeon's introduction of sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!


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Yeah. Normal dolphins, being mind-controlled by the white one then. Sure.

The white one always seems to cause trouble.

I still await Zeon's introduction of sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!

So like this only underwater then right? It's got the beam coming out of its mouth, but it still gives the same effect.

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