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What's this I've heard about...?

Post by Charismatic Enigma » Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:05 pm

What's all this I've heard about Tomino having a disagreement with studio executives about the Gundam Hammer in the original MSG?
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Post by Chris » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:16 pm

There are plenty of disagreements that Tomino had with Clover, the long defunct sponsor of MSG and original manufacturer of toys before Bandai. Tomino wanted the Gundam to be all white like a Stormtrooper, but Clover thought that wouldn't make for an attractive toy. Clover insisted on adding a bunch of super robot-type junk to the series, which is why we have the G-Fighter and the crazy combining it does to form G-Sky, G-Bull, etc. I don't recall hearing about the Gundam Hammer specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was a contentious issue as well.
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Post by kupoartist » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:21 pm

Strange then, that he revived it for Turn-A. Perhaps he simply had a change of heart?

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Post by Haros_Pet_Kat » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:28 pm

Tomino wanted the Gundam to be all white like a Stormtrooper
I love Tomino.

But yeah. If the disagreement is over whether to ditch the hammer completely, then I am guessing Tomino made the hammer suck really badly to get back at them.

It's a shame too. I saw the clip where the Gundam Hammer was used in Turn A and it was very awesome. *CRUNCH!*

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Post by Dark Duel » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:10 pm

Haros_Pet_Kat wrote:
Tomino wanted the Gundam to be all white like a Stormtrooper
I love Tomino.
Agreed. All-white Gundam = WIN. (Guess that's why I love the G3 :D )
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Post by ORegan » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:38 pm

but the G3 is an all greyish gundam
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Post by Dark Duel » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:20 pm

I know, but it's the closest thing we have to the Gundam in all-white.
Not counting Stargazer, which looks silly, and Unicorn, which reminds me of a white R-Gun with a horn. (Exerts self-control to not make pervy joke)
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Post by swordoath » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:02 pm

I had always assumed that the "all-white" Gundam that Tomino wanted was converted into the rollout colors of the RX-78-2. Although it has a bit of red on it as well ... Or was that just an afterthought?
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Post by Mwulf » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:31 pm

I thought roll-out was solid (completely) white? Unless there's some red in the face, but the only place I've seen it is Project Pegasus.
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Post by swordoath » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:32 pm

Here's the Rollout colors.

The red's actually pretty comparable to the amount that shows up on the final color shecme, though the patterning is different.
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Post by Paul McCartney Jr » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:59 pm

Well, the SEED gundams turn white when their phase shift goes away

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Post by RGM-79G GM Command » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:03 pm

They turn grey IIRC, not white.
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Post by Haros_Pet_Kat » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:06 pm

And an ugly, extremely unnatural looking gray at that, too.

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Post by Paul McCartney Jr » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:09 pm

Look at Aile Strike w/o phase shift. except for whats in shadow, its plain white

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Post by RGM-79G GM Command » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:14 pm

It means "If I Remember Correctly". Every time I saw a SEED Gundam with the phase shift off they were grey, and at what time do you mean? The phase shift went down on that thing more than once if I it remember right.
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Post by Paul McCartney Jr » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:16 pm

Whatever, this isnt worth debating, its partially opinion and partially your TV quality

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Post by RGM-79G GM Command » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:25 pm

Yeah it has to be my tv that is the problem. :roll: Go look at the review of Gundam SEED episode one here at MAHQ, one of the two pictures is Duel without the phase shift and it is clearly gray, now it is more than one shade of grey some are lighter and some are darker but it is definetly grey.
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Post by Wingnut » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:33 pm

For the record: Strike Gundam Phase Shift active and Phase Shift inactive.
As you can see Inactive is definately grey.
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Post by Sabersonic » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:56 am

Chris wrote:Tomino wanted the Gundam to be all white like a Stormtrooper
Which would make Amuro's alias as "The White Devil" and the other "White Mobile Suit" mentions make some sense compared to the current color scheme.

Though I gotta wonder if he ever regretted that analogy with what happened to the Stormtroopers during Return of the Jedi.

Anyway to get back on the subject, artistic creativity and sponsor interest have always had some level of friction that would make anyone pull out their hair in frustration and often ending in defeat though with some level of payback. This is especially heightened when the sponsor is your only source of income to finance your work.

Though I gotta wonder, considering how the Mobile Armors are introduced and handled as the stereotypical "Monster of the Week" in mechanical form, is that completely Tomino or was it Clover's idea purely as more stuff to sell?
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Post by mcred23 » Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:16 am

Sabersonic wrote:Though I gotta wonder, considering how the Mobile Armors are introduced and handled as the stereotypical "Monster of the Week" in mechanical form, is that completely Tomino or was it Clover's idea purely as more stuff to sell?
I'd think that some of those ideas were his, but some were probably done at the request of Clover.

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