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Yeah, but Fritz is talking about Gundam as a typical Hollywood movie, and there are no black British people in those.

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If I where making the movie I would totally have the Alex replace the rx 78 in the third film.

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Yeah, but Fritz is talking about Gundam as a typical Hollywood movie, and there are no black British people in those.


I think Idris Elba in Thor and Delroy Lindo in a bunch of crap would disagree with you.

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 Post Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:46 am 
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Frau and Amuro... Really.


nah. still don't buy it. I do buy that a lot of Gundam fans that care about that sort of thing want some really silly things to happen, and Frau/Amuro was one of them.

Frau put up with some emotional abuse than woke up. good for her. of course she loves him, and he loves her, always will, but what happened, happened, and they moved on. pretty adult and better than the silly wish fulfillment that usually takes place.

as for Hayato being objectionable...how? Maybe, daddy should be at home watching the world burn? They are not perfect which makes it laudable. He made a tough choice and probably thought of his wife and kids till the very end. We don't know enough to really say.

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nah. still don't buy it. I do buy that a lot of Gundam fans that care about that sort of thing want some really silly things to happen, and Frau/Amuro was one of them.


No, I'd say almost nobody cares about that. Most people think "he didn't like her, she gave up, end of story."

...Hey, at least somebody else at Sunrise is just as silly.

From the "Gundam Heroines" 20th Anniversary Book. the "Memory of Love" 'Heartbeat Scene Collection', if you wanna get more specific.

The caption under "Amuro & Beltorchika" basically says Bel got Amuro, who was wavering about fighting, to stand up again, and the kiss is to express his gratitude...

uh, wait. Didn't somebody already do that...?

Then what it says for "Amuro & Frau" is: "Time passes, and these two change a little. But when their eyes meet, feelings and thoughts of 'that time' are vividly reawakened."
:shock: Clearly, something besides those charming three months they actually animated. ...But who am I to argue?

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Frau put up with some emotional abuse than woke up. good for her. of course she loves him, and he loves her, always will, but what happened, happened, and they moved on. pretty adult and better than the silly wish fulfillment that usually takes place.


Of course it's difficult; it wouldn't be dealing with Amuro otherwise. Happy endings have an aversion to him. It wouldn't be Tomino writing him, otherwise. Having something that's pretty adult, and miserable? (Wrecking any sort of marriage?) Yup, that sounds about right. And actually fairly Hollywood, if they ever decided to do a Zeta live-action sequel to the MSG film.

I'm not saying they're perfectly wish-fulfilled, I'm saying the relationship still went further then most people ever give it credit for.

You're free not to buy it. The easiest unthinking explanation also doesn't have to be the only one.

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as for Hayato being objectionable...how? Maybe, daddy should be at home watching the world burn?


Maybe, daddy shouldn't have sent his idiot 15-year old into a far-away battlefield in space when there wasn't the slightest. effing. need. to do so?

"Frau hated the idea, and wouldn't allow it."
And he does it over his wife's already vehemently stated refusal? Wonder what sort of "emotional abuse" that counts for.

"Sure, you can go to space with Char!" With Char. Who even considers having the man look after their plants or pets, let alone children...? As it turns out, no one looks after the kid.

And it ends so well.

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They are not perfect which makes it laudable. He made a tough choice and probably thought of his wife and kids till the very end. We don't know enough to really say.


He made a petty, arbitrary, idiotic choice (and I haven't even brought up that he involved Amuro in it). Marriages end for a lot less when both people are still alive, and if you watch ZZ you actually do know what happens to this one, and what Hayato was thinking about.

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well. can't argue with that. I swear never to take a stand on a gundam relationship again.
But I refuse to sulk off into a corner when I'm hit with an artillery shell. you win.

Frau and Amuro!

Hayato is ass. got it.

Well, maybe we can still see Kai and Sayla's kid.

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I swear never to take a stand on a gundam relationship again.

Aw, hey -- don't let me stop you! :D
The operative words, though, are "take a stand on a gundam relationship I don't particularly care about ever again." Because, much like every other aspect of G, you never know who might just have time and thought and argument invested there and pop out of the woodwork to disagree with you.

(And honestly, I wasn't arguing entirely with you, really; those four or five posts before yours started it.)

Hayato's not that bad; he's human and decent and generally tried to do the right thing. Unfortunately, it's no guarantee of happiness. He has his flaws and failings like everyone and I think they tragically got the better of him with regards to Katz. Sadness.

It's Gundam; the complicated characters and relationships are why some of us watch in addition to the giant robot-things.

Kai and Sayla's offspring are probably lucky if they're not the product of a divorce...

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After watching some of the show recently I would have liked to try inserting some of the Amuro deserting stuff, but I would be afraid it would slow down the pacing a bit. Also about the Amuro and his mom scene discussed earlier I would try to include that too. I thought it did enhance the character of Amuro.

I still would like to change Amuro with Fraw. Dreamers gonna dream and hater gonna hate. I think they should have toned down the buttheadness of Amuro toward Fraw at the middle of the series. I never bought the Beltochorika or Sayla interest. Hey Hayato can have Sayla. But Beltochorika can be alone cuz she is mean. :x

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I would aim lower than a film series and just hope that SYFY or STARZ would do a live action series based on the gundam franchise. I would go with STARZ since Bandai already partners with them for TV distribution and GITS:SAC under there manga banner. I would go with NBC:U due to the fact they have experence with a Space War series with the remade BSG where gundam would be close with large robots instead of small fighters. but we have a better chance of Robotech going live action due to it's bigger IP footprint in the us Gundam has been low key and stuck as a Fad era series.

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I would go with STARZ since Bandai already partners with them for TV distribution and GITS:SAC under there manga banner.


Manga Entertainment is an independent company, not a part of Bandai.

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I still would like to change Amuro with Fraw. Dreamers gonna dream and hater gonna hate. I think they should have toned down the buttheadness of Amuro toward Fraw at the middle of the series. I never bought the Beltochorika or Sayla interest. Hey Hayato can have Sayla.


Why have a love interest at all?

No, seriously. Why not leave it like it was in the series, where Amuro doesn't really have a traditional love interest, period? There was kinda Fraw, but they drifted. Sayla was only one in the novels, not the series/movie. Lalah is the closest we get, and you can hardly call that a romance. I like Amuro staying single, I always felt it worked well with his character.

But Hollywood needs a romance? Fine. Other characters have romances. LEAD characters, too. Have the Bright/Mirai romance, that fills that quota.

Sidebar: I don't know if he'd make a good "Andrew Ray", but I've never understood all the hate Shia gets. The guy's a solid enough actor, and yet is universally reviled.

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After watching some of the show recently I would have liked to try inserting some of the Amuro deserting stuff, but I would be afraid it would slow down the pacing a bit. Also about the Amuro and his mom scene discussed earlier I would try to include that too. I thought it did enhance the character of Amuro.

I still would like to change Amuro with Fraw. Dreamers gonna dream and hater gonna hate. I think they should have toned down the buttheadness of Amuro toward Fraw at the middle of the series. I never bought the Beltochorika or Sayla interest. Hey Hayato can have Sayla. But Beltochorika can be alone cuz she is mean. :x


I agree with you about Beltorchika but not so much about Sayla. Not that I don't like Fraw or anything but I honestly think that if you did change hers and Amuro's relationship, you'd just get a legion of otaku pouncing on you with RAGE about how it wasn't like that in the series, movies, novels, Origin (RAGE)! And this would be regardless of how well the relationship would be depicted on film. Personally I like Sayla and Amuro. :)

Having said that, herein lies my grand scheme for an MSG movie trilogy... you know, if we lived in a perfect world and I was writer and director.

Obviously you'd first have to sell it to Sunrise and, by extension, Bandai. Normally I would've thought this would have been harder but with Sunrise and Level 5 Studios cooperating to make Gundam AGE, I take that as a sign of them being willing to let outsiders come in and work on Gundam. Next would be design. Personally I would go with a production design that would look both futurisitic and kinda retro, the retro as a nod to the fact that Gundam was made all the way back in 1979. I would probably ditch the pink EFF women's uniform. You'd probably get some loons here in the states complaining of sexism or something. Maybe make them red or white? Maybe have everyone where the tan and and black regular version?
I wouldn't change the desings of the MS greatly. The mono-eyes on the Zeon mechs would definitely have to be fully red. Would probably look more intimidating that way. I would ditch the ugly-as-frak Zeong that Char got at the end for either a Gelgoog or maybe a full design of that wierd Gundam that Char could have had. Actually I really like this idea! I'd go with it unless some exec raised a big stink about it. Can't mess with the design of the Gundam too much either. I'd probably make it look like this version, but not too different. If nothing else, the Japanese fans would scream bloody murder if the Gundam was 'desecrated.' Besides, when you really think about it, how is it any sillier than a robot that turns into a Camaro or a robot that boxes? The Guntank and the Guncannon... I'd have to leave those to people with more artistic ability than myself! :) And sorry Neo, but the Guntank would likely get ditched ASAP and be replaced by a second Guncannon or something, like the animated movies. Some of the Gundam's extra gimmicks, like the Gundam Hammer, would probably have to go as well.
Overall, the effect I would go for wouldn't be utter realism but just to make sure that the MS, ships, planes, etc. looked good in live action.

Next, casting. This would likely be one of the most fought over parts of the movie. I know a lot of people didn't like the fact that that Avatar movie had a buncha white Disney kids in it but let me try to make some educated guesses. First off, Amuro. After thinking about it for a while... I think that a Caucasian actor would have to play Amuro. I stare at his picture from the MSG, Zeta and CCA and I just don't see an asian actor. The trick would be finding the right one. One of the things I always laughed at Smallville for was the fact that it was absolutely impossible to pass Tom Welling off as a High School Freshman, so you'd really have to find someone who looked the part. And especially not Zac Efron (isn't his career over anyway?) or Goof LeBeauf. Maybe Elijah Wood?
Bright Noa... there's some confusion on him. Doesn't it mention at one point that he's from Hong Kong? I don't want to spread the Bright-is-british meme, but it's possible. You know what? I'd hire an asian actor just because, when was the last time you saw an asian actor as the captain of a sci-fi warship? :) Maybe get the guy who played the Korean dude on Lost? And if he had to be a white dude ('cause the studio forced me into it): Nathan Fillion
Mirai and Hyato would be played by asian actors because... they're names are MIRAI YASHIMA and HYATO KOBAYASHI. Doesn't get more Japanese than that! As for Mirai: either Maggie Q, Jamie Chung or Grace Park. Possibly Crystal Liu although I'm not sure if Crystal can actually speak English.
In my perfect little world Sayla would certainly be played by... I... don't know. Seriously, I can't think of a contemporary actress that I would trust with the role. Maybe I'd have to go unknown. Maybe Jessica Alba. Maybe. Katee Sackhoff? Hmmm...
Char... oh dear Char. He'd have to be a white guy. Have to be. I'm sorry, I just can't see a blonde asian guy playing THE Char Aznable. Matt Damon maybe. Or wait! Even better: Chris Pine! Char would have to lose the bucket though. As has been said before, Char's bucket is nowhere near as cool and/or intimidating as Darth Vader's. He'd have to where the mask Full Frontal style, but without the red eyepieces.
Aye Carumba, I don't want to sit here and cast the movie all night. Obviously I'd ave to go with who I felt was best for the job. Hire Chris Pine? Sure, as long as I felt he was right. Go with unknown actors? If I had to, I would, even though it would be a gamble. Can you imagine what Star Wars would be like today if Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Mark Hammil had been crappy actors?
Oh but Scarlett Johansson would be Lt. Matilda. Non-negotiable. :D And Edward James Olmos would be General Revil, just because I know it would make Chris, Neo and Soul Bro very happy. :) And after what Alan Tudyk did in TF3, he'd have to go in there somewhere. Maybe as Job John? :D And Rachel Weisz would be Kycilia Zabi. Okay I'm going to stop now.

Okay, enough of that casting crap! Now on to the real meat and potatoes of this ensemble: the story and how it would be organized. First of all you'd need to have two very clearly defined things: character development and good vs. evil. Now I know that good vs. evil isn't really Gundam's main schtick (even when they were faced with what the Titans had done in Zeta Gundam, it always less about beating the Titans and more about how people's souls were being pulled down by gravity) but what I mean is, you need to make sure that there are clearly defined good guys and bad guys or you're going to lose the audience. And there will be absolutely no Zeon apology or fanboy-ism here, no sir! The first few minutes of the movie will be an introduction about Universal Century and the war. I'd show colonies getting nuked, Zaku II's gassing colonies (like in 08th MS Team) and I'd show the ever-so-famous Operation: British (why is it called that anyway?). There has to be no doubt in the audience's mind that the Zeon are the BAD GUYS. Of course the Federation won't all be saints either but it'll be obvious that they're in the right on this one.
As far as the characters go, you would of course not sacrifice character time for cool robot battles. Quality over quantity. The trick of course would be to balance it out through three movies. I would try to keep things like Amuro meeting up with his mom and the famous Brightslap scene, Sayla meeting up with Char at one point and so on and so forth. Sayla and Amuro would eventually end up together. I like this pair, it's in the novels, I'm sure if we were careful with it, it could work. I'm not even going to begin to speculate if they would make any more movies after this so I'd just let it run it's course. You'd see Bright and Mirai's relationship (and the business with Cameron Bloom) but it would definitely be more in the background.
Okay, so assuming that you could convince some studio somewhere to let you do the whole trilogy, I'm willing to be that you'd probably be able to only get about... 150 minutes tops. If that. So, how to spread the whole story of Gundam into three 2 and 1/2 hour movies? Weren't the compilation movies longer? Anyway, it could be done if you were careful. Like I said, the beginning of the movie would be a short intro about the war and then we'd move straight into the action on Side 7. This would probably take a while because you'd have to establish so much and you would need to have Char and Amuro's first duel. And Char's Zaku II would need to actually be red, not sorta pink/red. I'd probably skip all the stuff that happened on Luna II and just have Char chase the White Base all the way to Earth. Also, Captain Cassius would have died in the Zeon sneak attack, so a large part of this first movie would be Bright and the other junior survivors trying to get these civilians to work with them.
Once on Earth, you'd move into all the drama with Garma and such. I'm thinking that you could end the movie either with the White Base shooting Garma down and then Ghiren's famous Sieg Zeon speech or a duel with Ramba Ral where Ramba would get to say his famous "This is no Zaku boy!" line. The Ramba duel would be a good cliffhanger ending because the uninitiated would hopefully be curious as to wether this new guy is going to beat Amuro or not, but I'm more partial to the Ghiren speech. it would be an ominous note to end the first movie on, as the camera pans over the Zabi family and legions over uniformed Zeon soldiers. Yeah, the White Base might have beat Char and Garma, but there's the rest of Zeon they have to deal with.

Now the second movie. If you went with the Ghiren speech ending for the first one, you'd plunge back into the action with Ramba Ral showing up, Matilda showing up, Newtype nonsense and Amuro losing his marbles. You know, I'm sitting here typing this, doing my darndest to remember how things go in Gundam, so feel free to correct me if I really get something in the timeline wrong. At this point you'd have to have the scene with Amuro's mom and how he is starting to change and also show his Newtype powers evolving. At this point you's also have to show Amuro's and Sayla's relationship evolving and how he's drifting away from any romantic overtures of Fraw.
Now, I'm thinking that the overall plot of movie 2 would have to be the Battle of Odessa. Movie was an escape, with the White Base trying to get to Earth and then having to deal with the combination of Char and Garma. Movie 2 would be about the White Base trying to get to Odessa in time to support the attack. Now IIRC, the White Base wasn't at Odessa in the original series but I don't think you could have the characters miss out on such an important battle in this type of movie. This would be where Amuro would tangle with the Black Tristars and where Matilda would bite the dust. Speaking of Matilda, I would definitely leave in the goofy every-blue-shirt-on-White-Base-takes-a-picture-with-Matilda scene. And speaking of her death, what would you think is more poignant: Her watching as the Dom swings down and crushes the cockpit or closing her eyes right before the final blow? In any case, the movie would end with the Zeon finally on the run with the White Base mourning the death of another comrade. Of course Ryu would have died earlier in the movie.

Movie numero tres! Since there's a whole lot of stuff that needs to go on in this movie, I might just dump the attack on Jaburo, or have in more limited form. Maybe Char infiltrates the base and runs into Sayla and tries to convince her to leave White Base again. In any case the action would finally move to space. You'd probably have to have the scene where Amuro meets Lalah and Char on Side 6 near the beginning as the EFSF fleet gears up for Operation: Star One. You'd also have the drama between Bright, Mirai and Cameron Bloom. What I'm not sure about is the bit with the Texas Colony. Do they learn anything about Newtypes there or was it an excuse for another robot-of-the-week battle with M'quve? Anyway, the Battle of Solomon would be near the midpoint of the movie and signal the final collapse of Zeon. At this point, the movies will have been dropping all sorts of hints about the Zabi siblings' political squabbles, especially between Ghiren and Kycillia. After Solomon you'd see Degwin trying to negotiate peace with Genral Revil and Ghiren's betrayal. The last 30 minutes or so of the movie would be the Battle of A Boa Qu. As I stated earlier, no Char flying a freakin' ugly Zeong around, unless Sunrise holds the proverbial gun to my head. I'd also leave in how Amuro and Char start in their MS, blow the crap out of those, switch to guns and then finally finish with swords. Not forgetting, of course, the famous "Last Shooting" scene. I'm pretty sure the Japanese fans would crucify me if that wasn't done right! Also the White Base would be getting blown to pieces, Kycillia would shoot Ghiren, Char would blow her head off with a rocket launcher, so on, so forth. Even with the White Base and its MS destroyed, most of the crew makes it off alive and there's a joyous reunion with Amuro, the Federation wins the war, the Zabi are all dead, the end. Oh, I almost forgot about the Elmeth! Depending on time constraints you'd either have to do that right before A Boa Qu or during the battle.
Also, you could have a closing montage during part of the end credits, showing the signing of the treaty that ends the war, what post-war 0080 looks like, the characters going their separate ways, etc. Lastly, at the end of the credits, you show these two mechanics talking about how it's a shame that the EFSF didn't get to use the new unit and about how the Federation maybe planning to build more. As they leave the hangar, you pan up to see the RX-78NT1 in its hangar. Really The End.

Promotion would be difficult anyways, so I'm not going to break that down too much, 'cause you know that there'll be neckbeards saying stuff like, "I don't want to watch a robot that looks like a space samurai!" or "This looks like a Japanese Star Wars ripoff!" We'll have to see. I mean, the Transformers movies did tons of business, we've got that Real Steel movie coming out and that new BATTLESHIP movie seems to have some kinda flying alien mech thing in it. We'll see.

Lastly, music. Since I'm American I would be sorely tempted to get someone like John Williams, Hans Zimmer, Howard Shore or Steve Jablonsky to do the soundtrack. But I'd be willing to bet that Sunrise would want me to use Gundam's original composer. Or maybe Kou Otani or somebody. As long as the soundtrack kicks absolute butt, I wouldn't mind.

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I'm only gonna comment on the casting, because I don't think that Gundam works well as anything but the series/manga (I even think the compilation movies are a stretch) and so would never see a condensed version that makes me happy. But casting! I can do all kinds of talk about casting.

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I know a lot of people didn't like the fact that that Avatar movie had a buncha white Disney kids


True, people were pissed, but I think the biggest thing is that a) TLA was Asian inspired, so people thought the characters logically should have been asian (even though most were racially ambiguous, save for the few with darker skin tones) and b) all the actors they chose sucked anyways. Seriously, that was some awful acting in that film.

Race ultimately does not matter, unless it clashes with the setting somehow. People will get pissed if you deviate from whatever the character's skin tone is, but that's about it.

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First off, Amuro. After thinking about it for a while... I think that a Caucasian actor would have to play Amuro. I stare at his picture from the MSG, Zeta and CCA and I just don't see an asian actor.


Sure, okay, I'm with you so far. Besides, Amuro's canonically like...Canadian, or something, isn't he? Anyways, his head of curly auburn hair gives him away as Probably Not Asian.

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The trick would be finding the right one. One of the things I always laughed at Smallville for was the fact that it was absolutely impossible to pass Tom Welling off as a High School Freshman, so you'd really have to find someone who looked the part. And especially not Zac Efron (isn't his career over anyway?) or Goof LeBeauf. Maybe Elijah Wood?


Why somebody so old? Why not shoot closer to the actual age? I think that's the best idea for the teens, like Hayato, Fraw, Kai, and Amuro. Maybe someone like Ellen Page for Fraw? She's shown herself to be a fairly diverse actress. I wanna say hold open auditions and try unknowns, but if we go that route, there's no sense in discussing it. Unfortunately, I don't really have any suggestions for Amuro.

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Bright Noa... there's some confusion on him. Doesn't it mention at one point that he's from Hong Kong? I don't want to spread the Bright-is-british meme, but it's possible. You know what? I'd hire an asian actor just because, when was the last time you saw an asian actor as the captain of a sci-fi warship? :) Maybe get the guy who played the Korean dude on Lost? And if he had to be a white dude ('cause the studio forced me into it): Nathan Fillion


I don't see Asian Bright, myself, but to answer your question: Space Battleship Yamato would be the last time I saw an asian actor as the captain of a sci-fi warship (and there were two!!). I love the idea of a British Bright, personally, but...man, as much as I love him, I can't see Fillion as Bright. I know he's got a wide range, so the fact that his past roles are nothing like Bright at all isn't necessarily a reason to discount, but he's just too build. Too square-jawed, all-American. Hell, he'd probably make a better Sleggar than Bright!

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Mirai and Hyato would be played by asian actors because... they're names are MIRAI YASHIMA and HYATO KOBAYASHI. Doesn't get more Japanese than that!


Absolutely.

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As for Mirai: either Maggie Q, Jamie Chung or Grace Park. Possibly Crystal Liu although I'm not sure if Crystal can actually speak English.


Your link to Crystal doesn't work, but of the other three, Grace feels the most Mirai to me, so I'm with you on that.

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In my perfect little world Sayla would certainly be played by... I... don't know. Seriously, I can't think of a contemporary actress that I would trust with the role. Maybe I'd have to go unknown. Maybe Jessica Alba. Maybe. Katee Sackhoff? Hmmm...


Certainly not Alba, and remember: Sayla's fairly young. She's 15-16 too. I know it doesn't seem like it, but she is. You'd have to get a girl who can pull off that...chilly feel really well.

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Char... oh dear Char. He'd have to be a white guy. Have to be. I'm sorry, I just can't see a blonde asian guy playing THE Char Aznable. Matt Damon maybe. Or wait! Even better: Chris Pine! Char would have to lose the bucket though. As has been said before, Char's bucket is nowhere near as cool and/or intimidating as Darth Vader's. He'd have to where the mask Full Frontal style, but without the red eyepieces.
Aye Carumba, I don't want to sit here and cast the movie all night. Obviously I'd ave to go with who I felt was best for the job. Hire Chris Pine? Sure, as long as I felt he was right. Go with unknown actors? If I had to, I would, even though it would be a gamble. Can you imagine what Star Wars would be like today if Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Mark Hammil had been crappy actors?


Char would be a character that would need a HELL of an audition. In fact, I would argue that he would be the single character that would hinge most on how the actor "feels". He would need to portray this calm sureness, with a sort of affable insanity. And he would need plenty of "presence". I agree with the bucket, and the use of a mask; I was going to suggest sunglasses, but I realized those would look ridiculous with the garish Zeon military uniform. Whoever you hired for Char would need reasonably good chemistry with Sayla, too.

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Oh but Scarlett Johansson would be Lt. Matilda.


Sure, why not, she'd send me into an instant adolescent obsessive crush, ifyaknowwhatImean.

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And Edward James Olmos would be General Revil, just because I know it would make Chris, Neo and Soul Bro very happy. :) And after what Alan Tudyk did in TF3, he'd have to go in there somewhere. Maybe as Job John? :D And Rachel Weisz would be Kycilia Zabi. Okay I'm going to stop now.


Give Olmos a beard and I'm sold. Tudyk is good, but far too old to play someone like Job...maybe he could have a cameo, as a side character? Hell yes for Weisz though.

How would you deal with interior cockpit shots? Among G-Saviour's numerous derp moments, the in-battle cockpit shots always looked the worst, and were one of the cheesiest things about the movie. You can't avoid those shots altogether, because they're important to continue getting the human element across while in battle, but I don't see how they could be made to look even remotely good.

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Why, oh, why oh whhyyy isn't it 1985, still? :( (Who knows, in the future, man may transcend even time...)

Something about 'Some Kind of Wonderful' Eric Stoltz makes me think he would have been a good hollywood!Amuro.

Maryam D'Abo in The Living Daylights has yet to be surpassed as my 'real-life Sayla'.

And as far as the Zeta-live action goes, this = Frau. imho(or it's Michaela Clavell in another Bond movie of the era.)

In modern times, I want Benedict Cumberbatch as Bright. (Google image him yourselves. :D )
Mayyyybe Jesse Eisenberg as Amuro. But I'm prepared to take my bets on an unknown.

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I'm surprised that with all this talk about romance, Lalah isn't being mentioned. That is surely the true romance of MSG, and the spark that lit Amuro and Char's rivalry throughout Zeta/CCA? It is also closely linked to Amuro's newtype potential and so focusing on this would not only provide a tragic romance, but also strengthen those two themes at the same time. I would love a version of MSG where Lalah is introduced earlier (and possibly even has time on the White Base before going back to Char). I'm not suggesting a wholly typical romance here, as Amuro's relationship with her was much more profound than that. But some more time exploring each other through their newtype connection would make the outcome all the more powerful.

Although for many reasons mentioned, a live action film is unlikely, it is much more likely that this series will be rebooted in some form at some point. Origin may be this reboot, so we may get this soon (but it could equally be a OVA focusing on certain elements of the story like the origin of One Year War). Doe's anyone know how Lalah is handled in Origin?


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I'm surprised that with all this talk about romance, Lalah isn't being mentioned. That is surely the true romance of MSG, and the spark that lit Amuro and Char's rivalry throughout Zeta/CCA? It is also closely linked to Amuro's newtype potential and so focusing on this would not only provide a tragic romance, but also strengthen those two themes at the same time. I would love a version of MSG where Lalah is introduced earlier (and possibly even has time on the White Base before going back to Char). I'm not suggesting a wholly typical romance here, as Amuro's relationship with her was much more profound than that. But some more time exploring each other through their newtype connection would make the outcome all the more powerful.

Although for many reasons mentioned, a live action film is unlikely, it is much more likely that this series will be rebooted in some form at some point. Origin may be this reboot, so we may get this soon (but it could equally be a OVA focusing on certain elements of the story like the origin of One Year War). Doe's anyone know how Lalah is handled in Origin?


I never mentioned lalah because I dislike her so much. I think that the amuro char lalah is necessary just for the dramatic death. I never felt any love connection between amuro and lalah just their Newtype powers bringing them together and them unsure of why, and that is just how I would do it in a live action.

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Didn't Tomino say somewhere that Amuro and Lalah were soulmates? Hmmm...

I know this is OT since we're supposed to be talking about MSG, but Cima Garahau as portrayed by Shirley Manson would pretty much make all of my dreams come true.

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I'm surprised that with all this talk about romance, Lalah isn't being mentioned. That is surely the true romance of MSG, and the spark that lit Amuro and Char's rivalry throughout Zeta/CCA? It is also closely linked to Amuro's newtype potential and so focusing on this would not only provide a tragic romance, but also strengthen those two themes at the same time. I would love a version of MSG where Lalah is introduced earlier (and possibly even has time on the White Base before going back to Char). I'm not suggesting a wholly typical romance here, as Amuro's relationship with her was much more profound than that. But some more time exploring each other through their newtype connection would make the outcome all the more powerful.

Although for many reasons mentioned, a live action film is unlikely, it is much more likely that this series will be rebooted in some form at some point. Origin may be this reboot, so we may get this soon (but it could equally be a OVA focusing on certain elements of the story like the origin of One Year War). Doe's anyone know how Lalah is handled in Origin?


If anyone was in love with Lalah it was Char and Char alone. The Newtype connection that Amuro had with her was more of a deep spiritual bond than anything romantic. The hilariously frustrating thing would be if the studio or a producer got latched onto that idea and you eventually had to call up Tomino himself to get it straightened out.

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Uso_Evin wrote:
I'm surprised that with all this talk about romance, Lalah isn't being mentioned. That is surely the true romance of MSG, and the spark that lit Amuro and Char's rivalry throughout Zeta/CCA? It is also closely linked to Amuro's newtype potential and so focusing on this would not only provide a tragic romance, but also strengthen those two themes at the same time. I would love a version of MSG where Lalah is introduced earlier (and possibly even has time on the White Base before going back to Char). I'm not suggesting a wholly typical romance here, as Amuro's relationship with her was much more profound than that. But some more time exploring each other through their newtype connection would make the outcome all the more powerful.

Although for many reasons mentioned, a live action film is unlikely, it is much more likely that this series will be rebooted in some form at some point. Origin may be this reboot, so we may get this soon (but it could equally be a OVA focusing on certain elements of the story like the origin of One Year War). Doe's anyone know how Lalah is handled in Origin?


If anyone was in love with Lalah it was Char and Char alone. The Newtype connection that Amuro had with her was more of a deep spiritual bond than anything romantic. The hilariously frustrating thing would be if the studio or a producer got latched onto that idea and you eventually had to call up Tomino himself to get it straightened out.


Arbiter I agree with you one hundred percent. The amuro and lalah thing was just like a little boy for the first time being attracted to girls. He does not know why but there is some magnetic force that draws him to this pretty face, and in Amuro's case it was the Newtype bond.

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With my infamous Gundam Heroines picture, you can see that's Char and Lalah on the other half. The book says Sentou chokuzen ni ai wo tashikameau futari. Sono Lalah wo ushinatta toki, Char wa hateshinai kurushimi wo seou koto to natta. ~"These two, confirming the reciprocation of love immediately before battle. At the time of Lalah's loss, Char shouldered an unending anguish." [[...duh.]] (First Gundam)

Obviously (and probably since he had the deeper connection to her), Amuro took losing Lalah much better in the beginning (and the end). "I can play with you anytime." In The Origin, she tells him he's supposed to go to "everyone", not to be with her. Char's the one who follows her soul 'round the Earth Sphere.

But for being tragic NT soulmates, I was always surprised at just how much Lalah bitched at him for most of their encountering. "You're an evil person, you're not fighting for anything, Char's going to die because of you... etc, etc..."

Even in the (CCA) end, he's getting sick of her taunting him and refusing to give up either Char or him. (WTF is "Char is pure" supposed to mean?) Char, of course, thinks she's his mommy...

The only thing I can think of that expands their relationship is Tomino's novel Amuro & Lalah: Secret Meeting -- but I don't know anything about its content. Ironically, in the extraordinarily AU!MSG novelization, though she admits to falling in love with Amuro, Lalah gets pushed wayyy off center stage, even for Char. ("He could hardly remember what it was that had attracted him to Lalah Sune and why he had tried so hard to look after her.")

Now, Maggie Blair, that'd be an interesting relationship to expand on for Char... :lol:

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