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 Post Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:05 am 
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More like operational security taken to the extreme. The fact that the guy didn't do the job as thoroughly as he thought is why Tau Drives even exist. I imagine CB's thinking was 'better to eliminate everyone involved than risk one of the powers getting their hands on GN Drive technology'. How badly things went for CB when even imitation Drives got out suggests that kind of thinking had a point. Of course, why the scientist didn't just drop the entire shop into Jupiter and let gravity take care of the rest is another matter.


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My personal theory is that one of the scientist onboard is a spy/member from the Corner faction and that he hid the Haro somewhere so it would not found so easily, or reporgrammed it to hide and run away from threats until their agents would find the place in the future.

Of course, they also happen to be six other factory ships out there...........>__>

I would not say its too extreme though, it sounds exactly how CB would act in order to proceed the Plan. The MG Exia manual mentions keeping the GN Drive exclusive to them is very top priority, its one of the reasons very few were produced in the first place (in addition to it being hard to make anyways claims the MG Exia). I mean, the Ptolemaios faction may be a bit naively moralistic-ish, possibly because of their backgrounds but a lot of the other factions can be very cut throat. The organisation has done some stuff like kidnapped scientists (Season 1) and deliberate causing world energy shortages (00 World Report) in the past.

Got to hand it to the guy though, he was very commited. He spent more than half his life on the project (very young when he started now he's sixty IIRC), went through a lot of things with the people only to obey that kill order that was given from the start anyways. He does not even know whether anybody will be near Earth to even received the GN Drives the article says, so there was no guarantee they would have been picked up and used by Celestial Being.

Likely not an Innovade though because of the fact that he aged.


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He does not even know whether anybody will be near Earth to even received the GN Drives the article says, so there was no guarantee they would have been picked up and used by Celestial Being.


Thats where Ribbons comes in!!! he was from Aeolias time right, he didn't go to Jupiter with them right? the only one still related towards CB that would be near (or on Earth) at the time would have to be Ribbons!

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A little thing about Feldt. I've heard from one source that she's actually blond and that she dyes her hair pink. But then I saw a panel from one of the 00 mangas that shows an infant Feldt with very clearly pink hair. Wherein doth the error lie?

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Edit: Completely disregard what I just said, the wiki quotes a direct source for that bit of information- Gundam 00 Season 2 Official File 6 pg 23-25

The wiki is incredibly unreliable, but if they're at least quoting a source for a tidbit of info, it might be okay to take that as read.

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SonicSP wrote:
He does not even know whether anybody will be near Earth to even received the GN Drives the article says, so there was no guarantee they would have been picked up and used by Celestial Being.


Thats where Ribbons comes in!!! he was from Aeolias time right, he didn't go to Jupiter with them right? the only one still related towards CB that would be near (or on Earth) at the time would have to be Ribbons!


He's suppose to be old I heard somewhere but I do not recall that mention of him from being from Aeolia's time. I mean aside from Aeolia's green haired friend E.A. Ray looking like him and voiced by the same person, but he's not actually Ribbons.

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A little thing about Feldt. I've heard from one source that she's actually blond and that she dyes her hair pink. But then I saw a panel from one of the 00 mangas that shows an infant Feldt with very clearly pink hair. Wherein doth the error lie?


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Edit: Completely disregard what I just said, the wiki quotes a direct source for that bit of information- Gundam 00 Season 2 Official File 6 pg 23-25

The wiki is incredibly unreliable, but if they're at least quoting a source for a tidbit of info, it might be okay to take that as read.


In the case of Feldt's hair, there's a contradiction in the sources. Official File 6 does mention that part of Feldt dying her hair but 00P's picture shows her being born with pink hair.

In any case, either hair fits with her biologically. Her mother is blond so having blond hair is sort of likely. If she's a natural pinkhead...........maybe its because of a mixture of her father's hair and her mother blond? If that is even possible that is.

In any case, its a case of contradiction and possibly one writer not knowing about a fact stated in the other. I'd personally think the blond option is more realistic and believable though since most normal people in 00 has real world natural hair color (thick shades notwithstanding). Innovades and other artificial humans beings are the exceptions to this, which Feldt is not one of.


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00P doesn't specifically show her being born with pink hair, it just shows Marlene carrying Feldt. Judging by how much hair baby Feldt had on the top of her head, she could already be a couple weeks old by then, so her parents could of died her hair. Also, did you ever think that Ruido might be dyeing his hair too. xD

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Maybe... :D

But this is also anime. Strange, unnatural hair colors are supposed to be everyday fare right? :mrgreen:

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MBF-06/ZGMF-X12A Arbiter wrote:
Maybe... :D

But this is also anime. Strange, unnatural hair colors are supposed to be everyday fare right? :mrgreen:

Yeah - although examples in 00 are rarer than in most other places. Off the top of my head, I can only think of three: Feldt herself, Michael Trinity(blue), and Wang Liu Mei (reaally dark green).

Well, and IIRC the guy in that brief scene in the movie at some point who provided the genetic template for Ribbons/Hilling(green - darker than the Innovades themselves though)
Then there's the Innovades themselves, but they're not human so IMO they don't really count.

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MBF-06/ZGMF-X12A Arbiter wrote:
Maybe... :D

But this is also anime. Strange, unnatural hair colors are supposed to be everyday fare right? :mrgreen:


At least in 00, its not suppose to be for most people.

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Yeah - although examples in 00 are rarer than in most other places. Off the top of my head, I can only think of three: Feldt herself, Michael Trinity(blue), and Wang Liu Mei (reaally dark green).

Well, and IIRC the guy in that brief scene in the movie at some point who provided the genetic template for Ribbons/Hilling(green - darker than the Innovades themselves though)
Then there's the Innovades themselves, but they're not human so IMO they don't really count.


Even Michael was made partly from Innovade DNA, so the Innovade factor sort of counts to some extent unless he really dyed it blue. Liu Mei, Feldt and L.A. Ray are the closest examples of normal people known to have them. As of this moment, its unknown whether Feldt or Liu Mei dyed their hair or not. E.A Ray likely not given his role as the genetic template of the later very green haired Innovades.


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http://store.bandai-ent.com/product_p/669198804519.htm

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Does anyone know if the up coming gundam 00 movie Blueray is going to be in English Dub or just Sub?

Also is there any word on a complete boxset of the whole series rather than 8 small ones?

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Reading the specs on the site , They seem to have dubbed it. In 5.1 true HD too XD.


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00PS1 Final Chapter Chall Acustica

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-Gundam meisters came to know of the terrorist attack on HRL’s OE 2 days before the attack is to take place.

-According to aeolia’s plan, intervention will take place after the 3rd gen units are completed. Veda calculated that the attack will not affect the plan too much and it is worried that by intervening, CB’s existence will be known earlier than it should be. This would result in heavy changes to the plan.

-The terrorists plan to crash the hellions (>10 units) into the OE. After veda goes through numerous reports, it concluded that AEU is supporting the attack. There are no solid evidences linking AEU to the attack.

-Direct intervention will cause too much wreckage, making covering up difficult. The particle traces left on electrical components are almost impossible to analyse unlike traces caused by beam particles. Gundams have shielding equipment against GN particles.

-874’s role is to collect battlefield data and to recover the units during emergency. 0 gundam was ordered by veda to launch


The development report states that nadleeh is the escape mechanism for virtue, is this the 1st publication to state this?


00P File No 8. Joyce Moreno

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Movement of asteroids from around Jupiter and mars area to areas near earth is a difficult task. This is to gather resources for the building of OE & colonies. Vessels involve in the work are called “slave spaceship”, and the name is not far from the truth.

Robert Stad is a newly arrived worker and brings his whole family along. During marlene’s trial, the fact that an infectious disease was onboard and hopeless situation then was not considered. Union companies responsible for management of the spaceships push all the blame to her and for this reason, they treated her with the latest medical technology. Marlene originally intended to use her own life to atone for the crime. Robert’s death changes her view on life; she wanted to live on, to change the world. Not for herself, but as a tool to achieve this goal. Thus, she agreed when veda ask her to join CB.

The mission was to monitor the hellions. It was marlene that attack the hellion squad first. She blocked a kamikaze attack on the guerilla village by one of the hellion. The hellion exploded and marlene was injuried.


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Some information from various chapters of Mobile Suit Gundam 00N

There seems to be a lot of interesting background information on various subjects of the Gundam 00 world. Many thanks for E08 for translating this.

Chapters 1-3

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Now, for 00N...

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-Global warming has stopped worsening/spreading due to major improvement in technology used in countering it. This is under the condition that no large amount of greenhouse gases is further released.

-The tragedy that results from the destruction of nuclear facilities during the war in Middle East is the reason why nuclear power is abandon.

-AEU leads the pack in the area of ‘Buddy Craft’, Agrissa is one example. As AEU completes its new solar energy receiver network in 2307, it decides to launch its newest MS. One reason for this is that Union has just launched its latest MS, Flag. Similarities between the 2 MS can be attributed to the fact that both have similar basic structure to allow transformation and similar development concepts. If the launch is push back, people may view Enact as a ‘copy’. Robert notes that despite the earlier launch, enact is still viewed as a ‘copy’

-Technicians managed to gather quite an amount of info about beam weapon from the damaged enact. The info is used in the development of anti-beam coating armour.

-Production Notes. The ‘N’ in 00N can stand for ‘news’ or ‘new view of 00’s world’. Due to how the fuel for enact’s battery is stored, it is not explosive. The fuel for propulsion is different and is very flammable. This fuel is stored at the back.

2

-Purpose of aero flag is to enter enemy’s territory and gather info. It fulfils the need of combat capable recon aircraft at the frontlines. Aero Cowl increase the unit’s mobility, extends its travel distance and allow high speed flying. The North Shield uses a longer aero cowl than regular units.

-Construction of Flag custom 2 allows the Union reseachers to know more about how GN particles move in the machine and other related info. One reason why Union is not selected for the development of new GN machine (referring to Ahead) is that Billy left the team and is unable to transfer the info collected during the war to the team. Prof. Eifman is close to explaining how the GN particle system works when he is killed. Using his notes, billy and his team started developing their version of Trans-Am. The machine that was changed to masurao was created to test the Trans-Am system.

-Production notes. Camo pattern on aero flag is changed according to the recon area. The aero cowl comes in various length. Regnant’s wreckage was discovered during repair work in the debris region. Its cockpit block containing battle data was never found. Its development roots can be trace back to alvatorre. Appearance of Gadelaza is also hinted.

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-Tieren’s heavy armour causes the opening of jammed cockpit door difficult. Technicians make the hinges of the door extremely durable.

-OE’s maintenance work requires the participation of UN’s monitoring agent to record down the process.

-Origin of MS and OE shares a brotherly relationship. As construction of OE spans different environment, there is a need to develop a machine that can work in these environments. Thus, work loader was born and to improve its usability, a humanoid form is adapted. To be more precise it is the adaptation of ‘arms’ and ‘legs’.

-OE’s completion is due to the presence of work loaders. It can be said that once the decision to construct OE was made, the birth of work loader is inevitable. OE becomes a terrorist target during its construction. Solar wars help in the evolution of weapons. As protection of OE requires a machine to be able to work in different environment, work loader thus evolves into a weapon and such weapon with a humanoid form is called MS.

-Many military weapons were discarded in favour of MS as it has high performance in many environments, although there are exceptions, eg.aerial recon, naval activities, etc.

-Fanton uses fossil fuels, there is no space variant and test type space use MA is limited and given to ace pilots. To solve this gap, MAJ-S08 Xiaoshou is adapted for protection of OE. As the use of 2 different types of machines in land and space shows a gap in HRL technology, they rushed to create an all-terrain machine.

-After Xiaoshou is replaced at the frontlines, it is used in OE maintenance and space related development. Due to its small size, high mobility, able to carry out fine and precise work with its hands, high performance and low usage cost, it is popular with the operators. Units sold to civilians and units made by licensed manufacturers for civilian use shows the popularity of this unit. Xiaoshou changes from MA to work loader.

-If Chall, one of the past top students in this school, managed to use xiaoshou then, she may have won the fighting competition.

-Production Notes. MAs used in maintenance of military use cable on the OE operates in group of 3, with 2 on guard. In the earlier stage of space warfare, xiaoshou is often team up with other space use MS. Due to improvement in space use MS; xiaoshou is relegated to support related duties.


Chapters 4-6

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Actually, they are chapter numbers. Each chapter consist of 2 stories that may or may not be related.

The fuel at the back may not be explosive but still dangerous.

Another round.

4

-Very little about GN-X is revealed to the public, most people know it as the next gen MS developed by UN army and it uses a newer version of gundam releated system. The reason for this lack of info is that the UN army feels there is a need to strictly managed relevant GN-X info.

-In 2311, UN is transformed into EF. Currently, member nations are disintegrating their armed forces with the aim of forming EF army a year later. To allow the populace to know more about GN-X, a newly manufactured unit is shown to the media.
-Photos taken outside the permitted area are banned from publishing.

-The following info is from a report on the web. UN seems to have hidden a lot of info regarding GN-X. Alejandro Corner manufacturers the GN-X parts in multiple factories as work loader parts. UN never admitted the relationship between GN-X and gundams, they wish to preserve the impression that the machine that defeated gundam is their creation. If the truth is revealed to the media, it would show that UN is just being used in CB’s internal war.

-UN replied that the mass production of GN-X took so long as large amount of time is used in getting parliamentary approval. The real reason may be that they spent 3 years to understand GN-drive equipped unit and to prepare production system. Unit 1 is assembled in a factory inside OE; it originally belongs to Lagna, thus the GN-X production facility may originally belong to CB’s traitor. As unit 1 is publicly launched, its successor is also revealed. GN-XII and Ahead’s designs are finished and a year after the peace keeping army is formed, a newer unit will be used.

-GN-X production facilities will be built around the world. EF officials stressed that this is done to maintain world peace. Before the report on GN-X unit 1 can be published, they are vetted by EF officials. The new colours are to preserve the impression that it is for maintaining world peace and to show a new side of it. It later becomes the colour of EF forces. The video footage released has additional treatment done to prevent analysis of the video.

-Production Notes. Overflag is used as it is decided that only it can keep up with GN-X during its aerial combat test.

5

-The realdo in the pic is Japan’s 1st independently completed MS. It is designed by the americans. Its armaments are also independently developed by the Japanese manufacturer. The unit is unpainted. Stealth field effect in the pic lasted for about 1 min. The existence of new gundams is leaked from within the army. All the messages are later deleted.

-Production Notes. The defence rod and rifle have been adjusted for environmental differences.

6
-MS height range from 15 – 20m, this is the suitable range for moving within and around the OE. Its size allows it to use the thick E-carbon armour as it is able to withstand the weight. To destroy such armour requires very destructive weapons and this result in upsizing of weapons. The result is only MS can use such weapons, thus the unwritten rule that only MS can defeat MS is born.

-As large GN-drive equipped unit cannot use current storage and preparation facilities, their numbers are limited. High cost also prevents the upsizing of current MS.

-In poor areas like Africa and middle east, youths fighting against MS often appears in the news. The uses of youths or child soldiers have 2 effects.

1-As the news always reports about war/fighting, a scene whereby the child soldiers are fighting MS serve to shows the sadness of war. No matter how the MS using side portrays itself as the righteous party, as long as 1 such pic appears in the news, it will cause much negativity. Even if it points out that it is inhumane of the enemy to use child soldiers, the public will also think they are just finding excuses. No matter how strong the country is, as long as it does not have the citizen’s support, the fighting cannot continue.

2-Normally, people have a hard time killing each other, but if the situation is change to a MS fight plus the packaging known as war, the feeling of killing someone by your own hands may decrease. If the enemy is change to child soldiers, the fact that pressing the trigger results in their bloody body causes a large psychological burden on the soldiers. Treating the affected soldiers and the fact that some may leave the army, considering the high cost involve in training them, is a large burden on the army.

-In terms of cost, child soldiers are cheaper than MS and maybe the only thing that can surpass MS. To combat child soldiers, info control and automatons are used.

-The ‘E’ and ‘R’ in anf’s model no. stands for ‘exports’ and ‘rental’ respectively. As it uses fossil fuel, its targeted market is the fossil fuel using Middle East(ME). Its name also shows that it is aimed at ME. From there, its export spreads to the whole African region and they share a common point, poverty.

-As a MS, anf has a very low price, thus suitable for poor regions. It can also be said that there are no other choices. Low breakdown rate and easy repair of faults also make it very popular.

-The joke “In middle east, firing a rocket will hit an anf” shows how common they are. Satisfied by the sale results, HRL increases its production, resulting in lower cost per unit and more demands follows. HRL also produce anf with engines that uses chemical reaction fuel as fossil fuel is not easy obtain outside ME. High number of newly produce anf uses such engine. In areas where anf are used for fighting, the opponent will also use an anf.

-Trading companies are also involved in selling anf. There are cases whereby areas banned from arms import receive work only anf that are later converted to fighting machines by the supplier. This is an open secret. Some companies even made minor adjustment to fanton retired by the army and sell them as newly made units.

-In HRL, many modified fantons are used in the military, especially in the north where fighting are sparse. In Union, the anf has part of its function limited. South America has many anf before it joins Union and they are still in use. In Australia’s construction industry, anf is more popular than Union made MS due to its durability. Australia only has a small no. of fight capable anf to support OE protection during emergency. AEU’s situation is similar to Australia. Anf is still the most common MS after the birth of EF.


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-Origin of MS and OE shares a brotherly relationship. As construction of OE spans different environment, there is a need to develop a machine that can work in these environments. Thus, work loader was born and to improve its usability, a humanoid form is adapted. To be more precise it is the adaptation of ‘arms’ and ‘legs’.

-OE’s completion is due to the presence of work loaders. It can be said that once the decision to construct OE was made, the birth of work loader is inevitable. OE becomes a terrorist target during its construction. Solar wars help in the evolution of weapons. As protection of OE requires a machine to be able to work in different environment, work loader thus evolves into a weapon and such weapon with a humanoid form is called MS.

-Many military weapons were discarded in favour of MS as it has high performance in many environments, although there are exceptions, eg.aerial recon, naval activities, etc.


Sweet, so we finally know why and how Mobile Suits came to be in Anno Domini. Pretty sound reason; so far it seems that the idea of the mobile suit in every universe stems from the adapting of construction vehicles.

I'm loving this information spill. It's revealing more technical and historical detail than I thought there would have been.


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Here's the next three:

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3 more chapters and one of them is quite interesting.

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-As the main cable/wire of the OE is not affected in “Break Pillar” incident, repair of the OE is faster than expected.

-EF army denied that they work with the rebel forces and CB in the incident. The photos they release did not show units other than their own. No body involve talks about CB’s role in getting The EF and rebel forces to work together.

-It was considered lucky if an item belonging to the deceased was found.

-Production Notes. E-ticket is a mobile device with a built-in screen.

This must be the shortest chapter, with only 1 story…….

8

-The public was told that GN drive tau was created due to the combined effort of the 3 nations.

-Compared to 1 gundam, alvaaron relies heavily on its powerful weapons and this change is due to the needs of the mission. The gold colouring is due to a special coating that allows the armour to disperse enemy’s beam attack more effectively. In reality, its effect is limited and not worth the eye catching colour. Thus, no other unit uses it. Corner’s liking for the colour may also play a role. If he had survived, the colouring may have an effect on citizen’s view of him. If so, the colouring may be explained as a political tool that he prepare in advance.

-There are 2 types of “observers”. 1, people who have great influence in the era. 2,people who inherited the duty. The haro unit that leads to the creation of GN drive tau was discovered during a UN mission to explore Jupiter. The mission was a cover that the Corner’s family used and its planning started during his father’s time.

-After getting the data, they started on mass producing the fake drives and training of pilots for the machines, as whoever destroys the gundams will be seen as a hero. The family wants to rule the world and they need pilots loyal to them.

-Since young, alejandro (the eldest son) receives the best education (political science included). To be the future victor, he was also taught piloting skills. On records, his piloting skills are excellent but not good enough for a gundam meister. Alvaaron is equipped with combat support AI and it is responsible for long range shooting and simple combat manoeuvre. Even though veda detected corner’s family traitorous move, as long as it does not harm the plan, it will tolerate it. Ribbons and corner’s plan is at the fringe of veda’s acceptance range.

-Production Notes. Combat support AI is used when the situation is a simple 1 on 1 fight or long range shooting and machine with heavy fire power tends to make combat simplistic. Due to all this, its uses are limited in the battle field which is often chaotic and it is not equipped on other MS. In addition, it is supposed to be able to use Veda and ribbons for support. It might be this feature that allows alejandro to enter the battlefield without much worry. Due to the betrayal, the support feature did not function as intended.

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-PMC hires a photographer for PR purpose. Even though nano machines are able to change the unit’s color, they have difficulties hidding battle scars. Units with numerous scars but still function well are favoured by those at the frontlines.

-PMC Trust’s business also includes transport operations, providing food for the army, running of bases and many others. In AEU, PMC trust carries out military operation while the countries supply them with the weapons. PMC trust also provides support in the area of energy supply. It is an open secret that AEU’s OE is not functioning at its full capability, thus they also rely on other sources of energy. New energy policy relating to farming policy will be the focus here.

-From the later half of 20th century onwards, policies making the farmers independent have been a main focus of European countries. Farms that contribute to safekeeping of territories will be given cash support. As this policy is well received, it continues after AEU is formed and results in the protection of many forests and green areas.

-This policy together with the new energy policy results in new farms having an energy facility within. These small scale facilities use biotechnology to transform animal waste to heat to generate power. In return, farmers will be reward with subsidies and the government will buy the power generated at a high price. All these cash plus those from safekeeping the territory makes farming a very profitable business in AEU. Latest data shows that 70% of a farmer’s income is from these other sources.

-Building of microwave receiver station to receive energy from the solar energy generator is also encouraged. These stations together with those in the city will be all over AEU in the future and may also help support the military. These facilities and other energy related ones are easy target for terrorist. Although they are safer than nuclear facilities, they are still dangerous.

-As these facilities are too numerous, the army cannot protect them all. To the military, the high number of these facilities means that damage to 1 or 2 of them will not have much effect. As the farmers will lose much income if the facility is damage, they will want to protect it and this is where PMC Trust comes in.

-PMC Trust has different fees and deployment according to the farmer’s needs. Government will provide subsidies for this. The small force serves as a deterrent and provides immediate support during an accident before the arrival of armed forces. According to data, after the implementation of the new energy policy, PMC Trust deployment in these facilities increase and terrorist act/accident drops to 1/200. This data causes more farmers to employ their help.

-Prodution Notes. The PMC logo is based on a wolf.


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Great insight on AEU economy. So cow's turd is primary source of money for farmers while milk and meat are just secondary, eh? Wonder what happened to this economy model in ESF era. The policy might be changed by then.

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Is this referring to Break Pillar victims? That's pretty gruesome.

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 Post Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 11:33 am 
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Is this referring to Break Pillar victims? That's pretty gruesome.

But accurate given the recovery rate of items and bones from the WTC collapse. And that was just a pair of skyscrapers. The OE was much higher up which would cause items to be scattered far and wide not to mention the fact that a lot of people were shooting at stuff falling down from the tower. I wouldn't be surprised if someone found a train passenger's personal item a hundred miles from the OE itself.

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