Gunpla Senshi Gunpla Builders Beginning G

[DuelGundam2099]

I know what /m/ is and I understand most of the trollish comments except Trombe, the main part I don't get is how Hi Nu was said as "the best", is that just fanboysihness?

[Raiden]

I love how the referred to Beginning Gundam as a chinese knock-off LMAO.

[kayone73]

Finished watching the first abridged ep as well as finishing the untranslated 3 eps, great series for ppl into gunpla porn, love how the show is so shamelessly self referential and such a blatant Gunpla ad.

[1-4-4]

- Now there's a WTF?!!! moment for you: A Zakrello with a Zaku II sticking out of its mouth GP03-style

Zakurello loses its main weapon (the mouth cannon) - but it's even more of a WTF when you try to figure out what kits he used to build it...

I mean, it'd pretty much have to be the 1:550 Zakurello, unless he scratch-built it. But then where'd he get the Zaku? If I'm not mistaken, the only 1:550 Zaku is the F2 that comes with the Neue Ziel...

And if it's a 1:550 Zakurello, does that mean it's a 1:550 Dendrobium, too? But it can't be a 1:550 Dendrobium, because the GP03S that comes out of it is the same scale as the F2000...

So I guess that Zakurello was a 1:144 scratch-build.

I did think it was fun that they threw some old kits into the mix, though: like the Dodai that Guncannon was riding, or the Big Zam...

[Dark Duel]

I did think it was fun that they threw some old kits into the mix, though: like the Dodai that Guncannon was riding, or the Big Zam...

I LOL'd so hard at the not-so-Big Zam. It was just plain hilarious.

[Chris]

So I guess that Zakurello was a 1:144 scratch-build.

You're probably thinking about it too much. Keroro Gunso featured many gunpla that weren't even kits yet at the time they were on the show, so you could probably assume it's the same thing with Gunpla Builders.

[1-4-4]

So I guess that Zakurello was a 1:144 scratch-build.

You're probably thinking about it too much. Keroro Gunso featured many gunpla that weren't even kits yet at the time they were on the show, so you could probably assume it's the same thing with Gunpla Builders.

Well, of course I'm thinking about it too much. But it's fun.

In the case of Gunpla Builders, this sort of thing is the exception. Every other machine that appeared was either an existing kit or a new kit released in conjunction with the show (and usually explained as scratch-built customization parts). They even went out of their way to explain why Kouji's Hi-Nu could launch all six funnels.

I guess they just really wanted the Dendrobium in there but needed to come up with an opponent for it...

[Arbiter GUNDAM]

I really enjoyed this show. I love how it took itself seriously and that actually added to the show instead of taking away from it. The only complaint I would have for it is the UC fetish. Where are the other timelines? Why no love for Wing or SEED or double-oh or X?


Oh and the small Zam kick was the best thing I've seen in Gundam since the Unicorn owned the Kishit... Kyshitiria... whatever the frak it's called. Marida's suit quad-wing thing.

[DuelGundam2099]

^That's because they needed UC models to sell, alternate universe models usually sell themselves.

[Amadi Akintunde]

^That's because they needed UC models to sell, alternate universe models usually sell themselves.

And apparently the Astray Red Frame doesn't sell at all, which drove its short, untimely and ultimately pathetic inclusion into the last episode.

[Resident of GMT-5]

^That's because they needed UC models to sell, alternate universe models usually sell themselves.

And apparently the Astray Red Frame doesn't sell at all, which drove its short, untimely and ultimately pathetic inclusion into the last episode.

If anything, I recommend buying the 1:60 version of the Red Frame, aka PG, instead of the mediocre 1:144 one (actually, most of SEED HGs sucked).

On a sidenote, I'm happy that BD unit 1 finally made its animated debut, though it's rather jarring to see a GM Ground Type flying about in space.

[Arbiter GUNDAM]

On a sidenote, I'm happy that BD unit 1 finally made its animated debut, though it's rather jarring to see a GM Ground Type flying about in space.

If the Beargguy could do it, so can a much more awesome suit.

[Resident of GMT-5]

On a sidenote, I'm happy that BD unit 1 finally made its animated debut, though it's rather jarring to see a GM Ground Type flying about in space.

If the Beargguy could do it, so can a much more awesome suit.

Except they didn't point out BD's sudden competence, but what the heck am I talking about. This is one of those series where you don't need to use your noggin' and have all the spectacles coming at you

[Shinji103]

On the topic of why there aren't more AU mechs in Gunpla Builders, there's a particualr point that a lot of people don't consider: how broken a good number of AU mechs are. Remember that UC (and Gunpla Builders clearly expresses this) is about mechs that aren't some powerhouse heavy hitters or nearly invinceable super robots. In Gunpla Builders, you have even some of the strongest units of UC getting ripped in half by something as simple as a claw or heat axe. (ala the Dendrobium and Gundam Stamen in episode three) The only exception to this is the Beginning 30 in episode 3, where it gets its "light bits" (as I call them, I haven't heard any official name for them yet) and becomes rather broken itself.

G Gundam: Super Mode and Hyper Mode. Mechs can use Kamehameha and go golden to use super robot-level powers.

Gundam W: Gundanium is shown to be nearly indestructible. The Gundams are constantly taking hits that would blow holes in mechs in Gunpla Builders.

Gundam X: Definitely the least broken of the AU series-es, but the Gundams still occasionally take hits and receive light damage when G Builders mechs would just blow up.

Turn A Gundam: The Moonlight Butterfly settles all fights.

Gundam SEED: Phase Shift armor. Not the all-powerful battle decider, but it would still render many weapons in G Builders completely useless. Probably why the Astray still made it in since it doesn't have PS Armor. And do I need to point out the broken-ness of the Freedom and S-F? ^^b

Gundam 00: Trans-Am. Need I say more? Basically, the ultimate "I win" button. And it's not even limited to Gundams by the end of G00 S2 and the movie.

Sure they could have included these mechs without bringing in their broken features and abilities, but you can bet that there are plenty of fans of those series-es who would cry bloody murder over Bandai and Sunrise "nerfing" their favorite mechs, and you can bet that Bandai and Sunrise know this. And nobody would care to see a Leo, Daughtless, or GINN.

[Chris]

On the topic of why there aren't more AU mechs in Gunpla Builders, there's a particualr point that a lot of people don't consider: how broken a good number of AU mechs are.

I don't really buy this line of argument because current video games have already disproved it. By your logic, an old UC suit like the RX-78 should get flattened by a "broken" AU suit like the 00 Raiser. But if you play the Gundam Vs games, this just isn't the case. The RX-78 is tuned to perform well enough against most other suits, and as an AI enemy it's not something to sneeze at.

[Arbiter GUNDAM]

Yeah I'm pretty sure they could have pulled it off. As Chris points out, we're not talking about a dimensional crossover here, they're playing a battle simulation game.

[Black Knight]

Not to mention that UC Gundams aren't really that much more fragile than the AU series. The RX-78 takes some hits from heat hawks which seem remarkably weak, the GP-01 takes damage from beam rifles that makes the hits seem more like physical blows than what we've come to expect from a shot of mega-particles, and let's not even get into how over-powering Psychoframes and their derivatives become. At least when Amuro stole his first mobile suit he needed to read the manual.

From the start, Gundam has treated its "Gundams" more like Super Robots which sometimes need maintenance and everything else like either disposable cannon-fodder or Monsters of the Week.

[Shinji103]

I don't really buy this line of argument because current video games have already disproved it. By your logic, an old UC suit like the RX-78 should get flattened by a "broken" AU suit like the 00 Raiser. But if you play the Gundam Vs games, this just isn't the case. The RX-78 is tuned to perform well enough against most other suits, and as an AI enemy it's not something to sneeze at.

Well, that's exactly the kind of "nerfing" that I'm talking about fans hating. (fans would definitely whine about it; let's not fool ourselves here ^^b) We're actually not talking about game logic, but anime logic. In games played in our real life sure, they'd have to level the playing field so all mechs had a chance of beating other mechs and the player could still lose to the computer, but G Builders is still its own anime, so by anime logic, there's no way the RX-78-2 could possibly contend with the 00 Raiser's Trans-Am. Which is exactly why we still have the Beginning 30 Gundam dominating the battlefield at the end of episode 3 like the best super robot-strength Gundams. ^^b They're showing "Haru and the Beginning 30 are now on a level unapproachable by these other guys," which you wouldn't have in a Gundam Vs game. But he wouldn't be doing so well against the 00 Raiser in Trans-Am, or even the Exia in Trans-Am.

Not to mention that UC Gundams aren't really that much more fragile than the AU series. The RX-78 takes some hits from heat hawks which seem remarkably weak, the GP-01 takes damage from beam rifles that makes the hits seem more like physical blows than what we've come to expect from a shot of mega-particles, and let's not even get into how over-powering Psychoframes and their derivatives become. At least when Amuro stole his first mobile suit he needed to read the manual.

Except the GP-03 Stamen and the Dendrobium, which are made of armor just as strong as the RX-78 and GP-01 Zepthyranthes, was ripped up by a missile, torn into with claws, had its leg blown off by another missile, and ripped in half by the Super Zaku's heat axe/spear/lance in episode three of G Builders.

I'm not saying that model sales aren't a big reason for what mechs appeared in G Builders, but there's no way they didn't consider the power balance either. I'm not trying to argue my point either, so I'll just leave it at that.

[Chris]

Well, that's exactly the kind of "nerfing" that I'm talking about fans hating. (fans would definitely whine about it; let's not fool ourselves here ^^b) We're actually not talking about game logic, but anime logic. In games played in our real life sure, they'd have to level the playing field so all mechs had a chance of beating other mechs and the player could still lose to the computer, but G Builders is still its own anime, so by anime logic, there's no way the RX-78-2 could possibly contend with the 00 Raiser's Trans-Am. Which is exactly why we still have the Beginning 30 Gundam dominating the battlefield at the end of episode 3 like the best super robot-strength Gundams. ^^b They're showing "Haru and the Beginning 30 are now on a level unapproachable by these other guys," which you wouldn't have in a Gundam Vs game. But he wouldn't be doing so well against the 00 Raiser in Trans-Am, or even the Exia in Trans-Am.

But it's an anime where they're playing a video game, so game logic still applies. And like any game, part of it depends on the player's ability. Even in G Builders, we see that on display in episode 3. Kenta in the Sazabi should've easily stomped Blue Destiny Unit 1, but he didn't.

[Arbiter GUNDAM]

Shinji, I think you're over-thinking this. It ultimately doesn't matter whether the 00 Raiser could beat First Gundam in a fight, it just would have been nice to see it, even for just five seconds.