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Hi, I'm a newcomer of this forum, but I'd like to start with some contributions which would correct some minor errors.. I hope you fill find them useful!

Model Kit Instructions Variations:
Most likely, the GM Command Light Armor (depicted in the 1/144 scale 0080 RGM-79GS model kit instructions) was originally intended as Hitoshi Fukuchi's redesign of MSV’s RGM-79L, rather than a Light Armor version of 0080’s RGM-79G. Anyway, this latter idea eventually received a sort of "offcial" endorsment, since Bandai's Gundam War trading card game features an RGM-79GL GM Command Light Armor, which is exactly said to be a light armor version of the standard GM Command.
Unfortunately (and despite of the somehow "evocative" names they were originally given), similar considerations cannot be applied to most of the other machines drawn by Hitoshi Fukuchi in the instructions of the 1/144 scale 0080 model kits, namely:

1) MS-06F Intermediate Mass Production F Type (1/144 scale 0080 MS-06FZ model kit instructions)

2) MS-09R Rick Dom Early Type (1/144 scale 0080 MS-09RII model kit instructions)

3) MS-14A Gelgoog Early Mass Production Type (1/144 scale 0080 MS-14Jg model kit instructions)

4) MSM-03 Gogg (1/144 scale 0080 MSM-03C model kit instructions)

5) MSM-07 Z'gock Early Mass Production Type (1/144 scale 0080 MSM-07E model kit instructions)

6) RGM-79 GM Early Production Type (1/144 scale 0080 RGM-79G model kit instructions)

Until proof of the contrary, all these designs must be considered as simple graphic reworkings of respectively, the "normal" MS-06F Zaku II, MS-09R Rick Dom, MS-14A Gelgoog, MSM-03 Gogg, MSM-07 Z'gock and RGM-79 GM. So why list them as variations?
Obvious exceptions are the remaining two Hitoshi Fukuchi's designs for this series: the YMS-18 Prototype Kämpfer (depicted on the 1/144 scale 0080 MS-18E model kit instructions), and possibly also the Gundam "Alex" FSWS Type (depicted on the 1/144 scale 0080 RX-78NT-1 model kit instructions), which stand as truly new MS models on their own, rather than mere graphic variants.
NOTE: Hitoshi Fukuchi is the designer of UC 0090 MSs featuring in Yuji Ushida's manga Double Fake, as well as other machines (e.g. RGM-79S GM Spartan, MS-07F Gouf Hunter, MS-09S Dowas, etc.).

The second issue concerns Kunio Okawara's MS Collection (Aka M-MSV), and more precisely MSZ-009 Prototype ZZ Gundam
There are actually two main versions:

1) MSZ-009-1 Prototype ZZ Gundam Unit 1 (also called MSZ-009A)
Armament: double beam rifle x 1, double cannon x 2
This is the Prototype ZZ Gundam we all know and love, which lacks the head double high mega cannon, and which back-mounted double cannons cannot be used as hyper beam saber (as a side note, Kunio Okawara based the MS on an early design stage of the MSZ-010 ZZ Gundam drawn by Makoto Kobayashi);

2) MSZ-009-2 Prototype ZZ Gundam Unit 2 (also called MSZ-009B Prototype ZZ Gundam B Type)
Armament: double high mega cannon x 1, double beam rifle x 1, double cannon (hyper beam saber) x 2
This is the one equipped with the head double high mega cannon, and with back double cannons which can be used as hyper beam saber. As far as can be ascertained, there is no official depiction of this unit, but a fine 1/100 MG MSZ-010 kit conversion by Miyuki Uehara can be seen on Gundam Weapons MSZ-010 Gundam ZZ Special Edition.

The transformed mode and the separated parts are known only for MSZ-009-1; their correct names are respectively:
G-Fortress Zero mode
Core Top Zero
Core Base Zero
On the other hand, A Mega and B Mega refer to the separated modules of Yuuichi Hasegawa's MSZ-009M Mega Zeta.
Lacking the core fighter, this is a two-seater MS, and therefore the heading “Pilot" should be listed more correctly as: "Pilots: Mike Schmitt & Ein Ravel".
(These informations chiefly derive from the comment reported in the afore-mentioned Gundam Weapons MSZ-010 Gundam ZZ Special Edition.)
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Regarding the Model Kit Instructions Variations, I believe the machine referred to as 'Gundam "Alex" FSWS Type' is not the Alex at all. If I remember correctly, the manual only describes it as "FSWS Prototype". Also, the machine appears to have the original RX-78's big yellow block thingies on its skirt armor, underneath the additional armor - and the Alex didn't have those. Furthermore, it says "FA-78-1" on its chest armor.

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Yes, the so-called Gundam "Alex" FSWS Type has indeed thos yellow blocks on the skrt (Helium core, according to the RX-78-1 1/144 MSV kit instructions), but they seem to be part of the additional armor...In any case, if you look at the MS underneath, it's very, very similar to the Alex (see arm and leg joints, torso, side leg thrusters and foot, which furthermore have the distinctive blue soles). But of course, if this cannot be considered as an NT-1-based counterpart for the true FA-78-1, it must be regarded as another Fukuchi design reworking, leaving only the YMS-18 as an "original" MS in this seies.


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Okay, after the first "random" contribution, I would like to post in a more systematic way a set of additions, remarks and minor corrections for as many series as possible. Unfortunately, at present I'm not able to post images, but I believe that a text file is better than nothing.

- Mobile Suit Gundam
As a general remark, I think it would be useful to distinguish mechas appearing only in the TV series (e.g. G-Fighter and its various configurations; MA-04X Zakrello; MAN-03 Braw Bro; YMS-15 Gyan) from those unique to the movie trilogy (e.g. FF-X7-Bst Core Booster), but perhaps this is only a quibble...
In any case, some more units should be added to the present MAHQ listing. First of all, various Vehicles and Support Units: most of them are "minor" mecha, nevertheless they actually appear in the series. For the sake of completeness I report here also the main civilian units featuring in the show (whereas I omitted other units such electric cars, jeeps, working vehicles and so on, since their inclusion in a MAHQ file would perhaps make it excessively meticulous):

Earth Federation Forces

Anti-Zaku use tank (also called A-A tank)
Unit type: self-propelled artillery vehicle
Armament: Large-caliber machinegun x 2
Crew: 3
Notes: It appears in episode 1, and it's used by Side 7 EFF troops to counter Gene and Denim's MS-06F attack. A clear depiction of this armored vehicle can be seen on Entertainment Bible 1 - One Year War edition.

Flyarrow
Unit type: fighter
Crew: 2
Notes: This poorly-known fighter is the wrecked plane appearing at the beginning of episode 15 (which, if I recall correctly, was originally excluded by the American episode numbering). Two more units feature in Rei Nakahara's manga MS Generation (Film 2: Test Pilot), escorting an incomplete RX-78E Gundam GT-FOUR, possibly the Unit 3, during its test flight.

Missile buggy
Unit type: 6-wheeled armored buggy
Armament: 10-missile launcher x 1
Crew: 2
Notes: It appears in episode 26, during the MSM-03 assault on Belfast. A clear depiction of this combat vehicle can be seen on Entertainment Bible 1 - One Year War edition, where it's described together with the Missile car (see below)

Missile car
Unit type: 6-wheeled armored car
Armament: 8-wire-guided missile launcher x 1
Mechanical designer: probably Kunio Okawara
Notes: It appears in episode 1, and it's used by Side 7 EFF troops to counter Gene and Denim's MS-06F attack.

Pegasus class (Thoroughbred) [or Pegasus class (refit) (Thoroughbred)]
Unit type: assault carrier
Hull number: SCVA-72
Notes: As clearly emerged about one year ago by a pair of very interesting threads in the Mecha & Technology section of this forum, this is the mysterious "Green Base" appearing at Jaburo in episode 29, which feature also (but in different circumstances) in the second novelization of Mobile Suit Gundam. The version appearing in Encounters in Space video game as well as Mobile Suit Gundam Side Story: From Place Beyond the Blaze manga is intended to be the final aspect (or a redesigned variant) of this same ship.

Public
Notes: As far as I know, the only place where this assault ship is explicitely indicated as a class is the second volume of the novel version of Mobile Suit Gundam. In other sources, such as Entertainment Bible 1 - One Year War edition and Take Shobo The Gundam Chronicles - The History of Mobile Suit Gundam Animations 1979-1999, the name "Public" is not followed by the kanji kyu (which means "class"), and the same also applies to Principality of Zeon's Dabude and Gallopp. Please note that the aforesaid sources properly report the term class (kyu) only for units such as Columbus, Gwazine, Magellan, Salamis, Musai, etc..

Space Launch
Unit type: space launch
Notes: This is the standard small spaceboat used by EFSF. White Base embarks 4 of them (according to Take Shobo The Gundam Chronicles - The History of Mobile Suit Gundam Animations 1979-1999), two of which were used to escape from the space fortress A Baoa Qu during the final battle of the One Year War.

Trailer
Unit type: MS transport trailer
Notes: This sort of multi-wheeled movable platform first appears in episode 1, used to carry RX-75-4, RX-77-2 and RX-78-2. In 2001 it was released by Bandai as the first representative of their 1/144 scale EX model series.

Vulcan armored car
Unit type: armored truck
Armament: 60mm vulcan gun x 1
Notes: It appears in episode 26, during the MSM-03 assault on Belfast. A clear depiction (together with a brief description) of this armored vehicle can be seen for instance on Entertainment Bible 1 - One Year War edition. Another unit appears in Rei Nakahara's manga MS Generation (Film 3: Deep Attack).

Principality of Zeon

Komyu [also spelled Commu]
Unit type: personnel ferry aircraft
Crew: 2
Notes: This VTOL rotor-based, unarmed plane is used by Uragan, to dispatch orders to Ramba Ral from Odessa base in episode 20. According to Take Shobo The Gundam Chronicles it can be embarked on Dabude type land battleships. The corresponding redesigned variants appear in Kazuhisa Kondo's manga Mobile Suit Gundam 0079, as well as in Yoshikazu Yasuhiko's superb manga Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin. This latter version seem to have a crew of 4 people.

Launch
Unit type: space launch
Notes: This is the Zeon equivalent of the EFF space launch. One of such spaceboats is used by Kycilia Zabi and Char Aznable to transfer from a Gwazine class ship (probably lady Kycilia's personal unit, which is named Gwazine just like the class) to the space fortress A Baoa Qu before the beginning of the final battle.

Wapper
Unit type: small attack vehicle
Crew: 2 (one pilot and one gunner)
Armament: Machinegun x 1
Notes: This strange VTOL rotor-based vehicle appears only in episode 14, used by Zeon infantry soldiers to attack the RX-78-2. A redesigned version can be seen in Kazuhisa Kondo's manga Mobile suit VOR!!(Action 3), while most recently Bandai released it as a part of their first 1/35 scale U.C. Hard Graph series kit.

Zeon Space Carrier (unofficial name)
Unit type: space aircarrier
Notes: This rather flat space vessel appears only in the opening scenes at the beginning of the first episodes of the series, when a voice narrates the initial phases of the One Year War (it's the weird green thing behind the fleet of Musais near the Moon). A redesigned, possible equivalent of this ship can be seen in an analogous situation of Kazuhisa Kondo's old manga Mobile Suit Gundam: MS Senki, amidst several MS-06C, Musais and some Papua-class vessels.

Civilian

Green Island Fishing Corporation plane
Unit type: civilian aircraft
Crew: 2
Notes: This medium-size twin engine aircraft (possibly an hydroplane) is used by an "incognito" Flanagan Boone to get on the White Base in episode 28.

Side 6 Patrol space boat
Unit type: space boat
Notes: This is the medium-sized space vehicle used by Cameron Bloom when White Base arrives at Side 6 in epsiode 33. Another unit feature in Rei Nakahara's manga MS Generation (Film 8: Hi-Jacker).

Side 6 shuttle
Unit type: transport shuttle
Notes: Two different kinds of transport shuttles can be seen inside the spaceport when White Base enters Side 6 in epsiode 33.

Side 6 space boat
Unit type: space boat
Notes: This is the small-sized space vehicle used by Cameron Bloom to escort White Base towards Side 6 borders in episode 34, before the attack of Conscon's fleet Rick Doms.

TV space boat
Unit type: space boat
Notes: This is the small-sized space vehicle used by TV operators to follow the battle between White Base and Conscon's fleet in episode 34.


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Concerning the Mobile Weapons, for Mobile Suit Gundam series I have no true new units to add, but I can report some "curiosities" (I hope you don't find them too pedantic), which may imply "finer" distinctions in the listings.

Earth Federation Forces

RGM-79 GM
Notes: Most sources report that the first lot of 42 GMs was rolled out at Jaburo, and that these ground-use First Production units (sometimes referred as "GM A-type") have no external differences from the subsequent 288 Late Production ones ("GM B-type"), which were used for instance during the Battle of Solomon.
In the original TV series GM first appear at Jaburo, during Zeon's assault at EFF headquarters (episodes 29-30): therefore one can legitimately think that these are exactly A-type GMs, while those featuring in later episodes are standard B-type models, although I haven't found an official source explicitily supporting this speculation.
Incidentally, GMs appearing in episode 29 handle a Gundam-type BOWA*XBR-M-79-07G beam rifle, which during Char's MSM-07S attack scene is "instantaneously" replaced by a more familiar Beam spray gun due to an "animation error" (possibly for another of such errors, the GM destroyed by Char's MSM-07S has a peculiar type of skirt armor, reminescent of that lately adopted in Bandai's 1/100 scale Master Grade model kit design).
One last curiosity: in epsiode 35, among GMs deployed for the Battle of Solomon there are three very "exotic" models. Two of them closely resemble the giant robots Raideen and Daitarn 3 (I wasn't able to identify the third one), which appeared in the eponymous TV shows (respectively aired in Japan during 1975-1976 and 1978-1979) directed by Gundam's creator Yoshiyuki Tomino (Raideen character designer was Yoshikazu Yasuhiko, while Daitarn 3 mecha designer was Kunio Okawara). Obviously this is an animator's joke, just like that at the beginning of episode 39, when we can see the main characters from the famous Lupin III series (Lupin, Jigen Daisuke and Goemon Ishikawa) in the fanfare of Kompeitoh, which furtermore seems to be leaded by the Daitarn 3's character named Garrison!

RX-78-2 Gundam + B-Parts
Notes: In Entertainment Bible 1 - One Year War edition this high-speed space use configuration seen only in episode 32 is called Gundam MA Mode. Other sources, as for instance the US Deluxe Edition Action Figure Vehicle Set RX-78 Gundam & G-Fighter, refer to it as Gundam Sky, while Hajime Katoki's Gundam Fix Figuration # 0004 action figure indicates another name (RX-78 and G Mecha B Parts), which is only slightly different from the one adopted by Mediaworks MS Encyclopedia 2003 and MAHQ listings.
Finally, Gundam Weapons High Grade Universal Century "One Year War" Special Edition (presenting a fine 1/144 scale model by Hiroshi Iseya, previously appeared in the July 2001 issue of Hobby Japan) reports it as RX-78-2+G-PARTS<B> Gundam MA Mode. If we assume that this kind of designation is consistent with those of other mobile suit & support weapon combinations (where the first part, written in capital letters, is the "sum" of the model numbers of the involved components, while the second one is the name of the resulting mecha; see for instance RX-178+FXA-05D Super Gundam, which is formed by RX-178 and FXA-05D), then we have to conclude that the term G-PARTS is G-Fighter's model number, and indeed in the aforementioned Gundam Weapons issue the G-Fighter is exactly reported as G-PARTS G-Fighter. Unfortunately this rather interesting idea is not further supported, since the other configurations are indicated only by their bare names: G-Armor (rather than a supposed RX-78-2+G-PARTS G-Armor), G-Sky (rather than a supposed FF-X7+RX-78-2<B>+G-PARTS<B> G-Sky), G-Bull E-z (i.e. G-Bull Easy) (rather than a supposed G-PARTS<A> G-Bull E-z), etc..

Principality of Zeon

MS-06F Zaku II
Notes: All of the Zakus II used during the Battle of A Baoa Qu in episode 42 (or anyway all of them in which the backpack can be seen, that is at least 3 units) mount a Gouf-type backpack. It's quite unclear wether this is due to an "animation error" or if these Zakus are actually intended to be upgraded models. In this latter case, they should be perhaps listed separately.

MS-07B Gouf
Notes: Most sources report that Ramba Ral's personal Gouf is actually an YMS-07B Pre-Production Type model, which is essentially identical to the mass-produced MS-07B. A possible external difference is in the equipment configuration, since in Mobile Suit Gundam series standard Goufs never used the heat sword, which on the contrary is Ramba Ral's YMS-07B favourite weapon. Conversely, the YMS-07B seen in the TV series didn't had optional hand armaments such as 120mm Zaku machine gun or Heat hawk, which instead were used by normal MS-07B, as showed in episode 22.
Another interesting remark concerns episode 23, when three Goufs mounting on Dodai YS are sent to intercept Matilda's Medea squad. Now, the Goufs at issue (among their pilots there are Habe and March) clearly have and use two 75 mm hand machineguns. Apart from this they have no other differences compared to standard models. In my opinion the following alternative explanations can be prposed:
1) this is a mere "animation error";
2) MS-07B specs must include an additional 5-barrel 75 mm machinegun as optional fixed armament (I havent't found any source to support this hypothesis);
3) these three units are MS-07B2 Gouf B2 Type (this is my favourite explanation; this poorly-known Gouf variant is reported at least in the general introduction on Gouf B-type MSs in Hobby Japan October 1998 issue, p. 85; according to this "semi-official" source:
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An even greater improvement in fixed armaments was achieved with the modified B Type limited production units installing 75mm machineguns on both hands, called B2 type

Since no other differences are mentioned, we can assume that MS-07B2 should simply look like an MS-07B with two hand machineguns, which is exactly what the three units are).

MS-09 Dom
Notes: As reported in the MS-09G Dowadge 1/144 scale model kit instructions, as well as by other subsequent sources, the Doms given to the Black Tri-Stars team are MS-09A Pre-Production Type models, while the standard mass production type Dom is designated as MS-09B (or simply MS-09). Despite in the original Mobile Suit Gundam series MS-09A and MS-09B had no external differences, an explicit distinction between Black Tri-Stars' Doms and regular ones is quite widespread in video games (e.g. Gihren's Greed: Blood of Zeon; Zeonic Front), Bandai model kits (e.g. 1/144 scale High Grade Universal Century series) and action figures (e.g. Hajime Katoki's Zeonography series); in nearly all these instances MS-09A are usually depicted with peculiar Okawara-style emblems and red marking lines on shoulder, skirt and leg armor, which on the other hand are lacking on standard MS-09B.


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- Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team

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Mobile Weapons

RB-79 Ball
Notes: A standard-model Ball features in episode 9, in the CG-simulation movie projected by EFF to show the threat represented by the enemy MA Apsalus.

RGM-79[E] GM Precession Type
Notes: I don't know why MAHQ listings now replaced the previous name "GM Type E" with "GM Precession Type", but Take Shobo The Gundam Chronicles - The History of Mobile Suit Gundam Animations 1979-1999 properly designates this model as GM Space Combat Equipment, and actually I believe that "GM Space Type" wold be a quite good option.

RX-75 Guntank Mass Production Type (Working Use) (or Guntank utility vehicle)
Unit type: working use MS
Notes: This is a standard RX-75 Guntank Mass Production Type, with cannons replaced by cranes, as shown during the opening of the series. A skecthy lineart of this MS can be seen in Mediaworks MS Encyclopedia 2003. The so-called Guntank Traction Type, a model featuring in the September 2000 issue of Dengeki Hobby Magazine is intended to be this same MS and therefore it must not be listed as a separate unit in MAHQ's Dengeki Hobby Magazine Variation section.

Vehicles and Support Units

Dish
Notes: This turtle-like aircraft is seen flying above Kojima Battalion's headquarter at the beginning of episode 4. Unlke the one appearing in Mobile Suit Gundam, the redesigned version of this series is painted in a gray and blue color scheme rather than in a green and yellow one.

Fanfan
Notes: It appears at the beginning of episodes 1 and 4. Unlke the one appearing in Mobile Suit Gundam, the redesigned version of this series is painted in green, and is completely unarmed.

Hover Cargo Truck
Unit type: transport hovercraft
Armament: 12.7mm machinegun x 1
Notes: This large truck with wheels replaced by 4 hovercraft motors appears in episode 3. A clear depiction of this vehicle can be seen in Mediaworks Mobile Suit Gundam Data Collection 3 - One Year War Side Stories.

Jet Core Booster II
Notes: Most previous sources (including Mediaworks MS Encyclopedia 2003 and Bandai 1/144 scale EX model, as well as Gundam Official website) called it simply Jet Core Booster, while in Take Shobo The Gundam Chronicles this fighter-bomber is indicated as Core-Easy. I suspect that the Jet Core Booster II name adopted here, which onviously derives from The 08th MS Team Japanese official website, is a sort of retcon connected to the more recent Core Booster II from Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO: Apocalypse 0079.

Jungle Boat
Unit type: patrol boat
Armament: Machinegun x 2, 3-smoke discharger x 2
Notes: Just like Type 61 tank, this unit appears in the opening of the series. A clear depiction of this vehicle can be seen in Mediaworks Mobile Suit Gundam Data Collection 3 - One Year War Side Stories.

Principality of Zeon

MS-05B Zaku I
Notes: In The 08th MS Team series two different Zaku I versions appear:
1) the sand-colored unit with forehead commander antenna used by Topp in episode 8 is most likely a customized version of the MS which in Zeonic Front was lately indicated as MS-05B Zaku I Land Warfare Type. Most sources vaguely report it as MS-05 Zaku I (Topp Unit), and the box designation of corresponding 1/144 scale B-Club resin kit is MS-05B Zaku I 1/144 scale Old Zaku Topp unit. In The 08th MS Team Japanese official website is presented in a paragraph under the general heading Zaku I MS-05B: Topp's MS is said to be a team lader unit, installing Zaku machinegun magazines on waist skirt armor and on rear weapon latch, but no further designations are provided;
2) the colony-gassing unit in blue and green color scheme can be considered a "Zaku I Colony Attack Type"; the box designation of corresponding 1/144 scale B-Club resin kit is MS-05 Zaku I 1/144 scale Old Zaku Colony Assault Squad Use. In The 08th MS Team Japanese official website it's presented in the already-mentioned Zaku I MS-05B paragraph, saying that in the first stages of the war mass-produced Zaku Is accomplished blitzkrieg tactics, but again no further designations are provided.

MS-09 Dom
Notes: Most likely its design differences from the original Mobile Suit Gundam version are attributable only to "normal" graphic reworking, but according to Zeonic Front's Japanese official website, this Dom with modified shoulder armor can be considered a South-East Asia Forces Use model. Unfortunately, the matter isn't very clear, since Zeonic Front's South-East Asia Forces Use Dom is painted in green, while the ones featuring in The 08th MS Team have the classic black and purple coloring; furthermore, The 08th MS Team Japanese official website doesn't seem to mention the possibility that this Dom is a modified version.

MS-14S (YMS-14) Gelgoog Commander Type
Notes: It appears at the beginning of episode 12, guarding the Komusai shuttle while it re-enters in Earth atmosphere.

Vehicles and Support Units

Armored vehicle
Unit type: armored vehicle
Armament: Cannon x 1, machinegun x 1, 3-smoke discharger x 2
Notes: This APC-like 6-wheeled amphibious armored vehicle appears in episode 5. A clear depiction of this vehicle can be seen on Mobile Suit Gundam Data Collection 3 - One Year War Side Stories..

Sealance
Notes: It appears during the retreat from the Odessa harbour on the Black Sea in episode 6.


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Nice attention to detail there! But I might offer a couple of tiny quibbles back atcha... :-)

Public: The distinction between "class" and "type" isn't made very consistently in the Japanese sources. Quite often they'll refer to the "Magellan type" and "Salamis type" (using the English phonetics タイプ) so picking an English translation may be a matter of taste or prose style. Otherwise, you could make a good case for "Public type" or simply "Public assault ship" based on the Japanese sources.

Gouf: In addition to the version seen in episode 23, with machine guns in both hands, we see Goufs with heat rods in their left hands during the Jaburo drop in episode 29. It might be simplest to assume that the Gouf's hand weapons can be swapped out to fit the mission.

Dom: The Dowadge kit manual does identify the standard production version of the Dom as the MS-09B, but as far as I can tell it doesn't address the question of the Black Tri-Stars, and color decorations aside there's no obvious reason to think their machines are different from the regular ones. If the identity of the MS-09A is a mystery, it seems just as likely to me that this is a limited-production version of the Prototype Dom, which--given the large number of Tropical Test Types and Dom Cannons in circulation--must have undergone some extra production along the way.

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bilbros wrote:
Most sources report that the first lot of 42 GMs was rolled out at Jaburo, and that these ground-use First Production units (sometimes referred as "GM A-type") have no external differences from the subsequent 288 Late Production ones ("GM B-type"), which were used for instance during the Battle of Solomon.
In the original TV series GM first appear at Jaburo, during Zeon's assault at EFF headquarters (episodes 29-30): therefore one can legitimately think that these are exactly A-type GMs, while those featuring in later episodes are standard B-type models, although I haven't found an official source explicitily supporting this speculation.


IIRC, the 42 "A-type" GM's were built and deployed before/around the time of Operation Odessa, and given that production of the "B-type" started at Jaburo after Odessa, odds are the ones we see at the battle are "B-types" as well.

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bilbros wrote:
One last curiosity: in epsiode 35, among GMs deployed for the Battle of Solomon there are three very "exotic" models. Two of them closely resemble the giant robots Raideen and Daitarn 3 (I wasn't able to identify the third one), which appeared in the eponymous TV shows (respectively aired in Japan during 1975-1976 and 1978-1979) directed by Gundam's creator Yoshiyuki Tomino (Raideen character designer was Yoshikazu Yasuhiko, while Daitarn 3 mecha designer was Kunio Okawara).


Have a shot of that Daitarn3 cause I've looked there and have yet to see it. Missing is Tetsujin 28 and also what I can best guess as Danguard Ace.

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Notes: In Entertainment Bible 1 - One Year War edition this high-speed space use configuration seen only in episode 32 is called Gundam MA Mode. Other sources, as for instance the US Deluxe Edition Action Figure Vehicle Set RX-78 Gundam & G-Fighter, refer to it as Gundam Sky, while Hajime Katoki's Gundam Fix Figuration # 0004 action figure indicates another name (RX-78 and G Mecha B Parts), which is only slightly different from the one adopted by Mediaworks MS Encyclopedia 2003 and MAHQ listings.


That's the name I pulled out of Gundam Fact File when I scanned the art which seems to match closest to the Gundam Fix Figuration RX-78 and G Mecha B Parts, they just basically removed the G Mecha. Since those are the two most recent sources those are probably the best to go by.

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RGM-79[E] GM Precession Type
Notes: I don't know why MAHQ listings now replaced the previous name "GM Type E" with "GM Precession Type", but Take Shobo The Gundam Chronicles - The History of Mobile Suit Gundam Animations 1979-1999 properly designates this model as GM Space Combat Equipment, and actually I believe that "GM Space Type" wold be a quite good option.


Another name I pulled out of Gundam Fact File, which is the most recent source. The name is listed as 先行型ジム RGM-79[E] GM Precession Type. These names are constantly changing of various things. For example the Jet Core Booster in 08th MS Team is now listed as a Jet Core Booster 2 as per the offical 08th MS Team website. And the Gelgoog Jager's 110mm machine cannon are no longer but are now Beam Spot Gun's which was listed in both Gundam Fact File and the recent HGUC kit.

A lot of the other veichles you listed were going to be added to MAHQ when we had um let's just say more people and more ambitious plans to upgrade the Gundam section a lot. But that didn't happen due to various reasons.


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The Dowadge kit manual does identify the standard production version of the Dom as the MS-09B, but as far as I can tell it doesn't address the question of the Black Tri-Stars, and color decorations aside there's no obvious reason to think their machines are different from the regular ones. If the identity of the MS-09A is a mystery, it seems just as likely to me that this is a limited-production version of the Prototype Dom, which--given the large number of Tropical Test Types and Dom Cannons in circulation--must have undergone some extra production along the way.


Yes, concerning the Dowadge kit manual, I've made a bit of confusion, since it really doesn't refer explicitely to the MS-09A question.. It was more a sort of personal extrapolation based on logic (since Doms were given to Black Tri-Stars are generally said to be the first three units), although I admit that logic and consistence aren't always the leading principles in such a complex system as Gundam is!
In any case, thanks a lot... Next time I will try to be more careful, avoiding personal syntheses, or anyway I will separate them from official data :D

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Mmh... well, originally I planned to post you many other additions (not only veichles, but in some cases also mobile weapons) for nearly all UC series present in MAHQ listing (plus some Gundam X things), and I intended to cover series you don't have (such as various Kazuhisa Kondo manga) as well... But, if you think this doesn't meet the present aims of the Gundam section, it would be perhaps better for me to post only corrections (and only tose that are really "needed") on the already-listed material. :wink:


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Mmh... well, originally I planned to post you many other additions (not only veichles, but in some cases also mobile weapons) for nearly all UC series present in MAHQ listing (plus some Gundam X things), and I intended to cover series you don't have (such as various Kazuhisa Kondo manga) as well... But, if you think this doesn't meet the present aims of the Gundam section, it would be perhaps better for me to post only corrections (and only tose that are really "needed") on the already-listed material. :wink:


No I don't mean it like that. A few years back me and a few other people who did work for MAHQ in the past and Chris too were planning a big updating to the Gundam section of MAHQ, well not just Gundam but the final plan would have included Patlabor and Macross. This would have been huge and be rewriting all the profiles and everything, this would have tied into the long delayed MAHQ 2.0. We also planned a character section as well and well a mountain of other stuff, but yeah people got busy with life and such and it well died with no future plans to do the said updates. Big dreams back then and we really didn't have enough people to do everything we planned and the kind of people we really needed we couldn't find either...

For new units it's best to have art, I know a lot can pulled out of EB1 but it's good to know of. But for other stuff such as the funky A Baoa Qu Zakus that'd just be hard to list on MAHQ I guess. What would you do for that really? Add a line in a profile "At A Baoa Qu there were some funky Zaku's using Gouf backpacks we don't know if they are upgrades or animation errors." That kinda doesn't work and I personally think it's best to steer away from speculation like that and rely more on hard facts. Other things the question arises is using stuff that appears in the opening animation, which I don't think MAHQ is going for since there things like the Astray Red Frame in Gundam SEED's first opening was omitted. And I'm pretty sure the standard Ball in 08th would be ommited since it only appeared in a computer simulation and not a real element of the show other wise the argument could be made that Zakrello could appear in Zeta Gundam since it was on a computer screen in Zeta Gundam and let's not even start with Turn A Gundam or the obvious omissions from G Gundam.

Oh and I think the general idea of seperating the Mobile Suit Gundam movies and TV series and distuingishes what appears in what was realitvly pointless. And there is no point to just make a distinguishment of those two in any event as Zeta, 0083, G, Turn A, SEED and SEED Destiny would also require the same treatment which isn't really required.


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Okay, tank you for the explanations..

Oh, I have a little correction regarding the Wapper: previously I reported for it a crew of 2 people (one pilot and one gunner), but that was only for Kazuhissa Kondo's version, since the original Wapper is a one-seater vehicle!

Next time, if you have nothing against it, I intend to go on with the planned systematic contribution of additions, remarks and minor corrections, for as many UC series as possible, plus some Gundam X stuff. I will try to avoid mecha which cannot be considered true elements of the series (such as those featuring only in the opening animations), or which recognition is speculative.
If you can't add them by now, I hope that you can store them somewhere, waiting for better times to come... :wink:

Afterwards (again depending on your agreement), I will post entirely brand new Gundam series, some of which are currently listed without a link in MAHQ main page.
I believe that most part of the mentioned material would be interesting for Gundam fans in general, but I realize that it will take time to add it on MAHQ, and the lack of images make it a bit "weak"...
Of course, if you don't think this is the most suitable section for such things, please let me know: I really don't want to fill this thread with material which is running the risk to be useless or, even worse, annoying.
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Oh since you are mentioning it the correct spelling is Wappa and not Wapper.


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Here's the new set of additions and remarks. As in previous cases, I omitted minor units such as electric cars, jeeps, minor working vehicles and so on.

- Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket

Earth Federation Forces

Mobile Weapons


Zuck
Notes: At the beginning of episode 5 the Gundam "Alex" is recovered after its battle againts the Kämpfer: this operation is carried out using some yellow mobile workers which seem identical to the Zuck seen in Char's Counterattack. Considering that War in the Pocket was released in 1989 (only one year after Char's Counterattack) and that in both cases the mecha design is by Yutaka Izubuchi, I believe that Zuck should be added to the listings of the present series.

Vehicles and Support Units
In episode 1, during Cyclops Team attack at the Federal Arctic base, some military and utility vehicles can be seen. Among them, the most important are two types of A.P.C. (Armored Personnel Carrier), clearly depicted both in Mediaworks Mobile Suit Gundam Data Collection 3 - One Year War Side Stories and in Entertainment Bible 1 - One Year War edition. In this latter book they are labeled, respectively:

Cold District Use A.P.C. (Type A)
Unit type: semi-tracked military personnel transport vehicle
Armament: Machinegun x 1

Cold District Use A.P.C. (Type B)
Unit type: 6-wheeled military personnel transport vehicle
Armament: none

Principality of Zeon

Mobile Weapons


MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai
Notes: The modified units equipped with a German "Fritz" helmet-style head such as those briefly seen in epsiode 1 are commonly referred as MS-06FZ Zaku Type B (see for instance Entertainment Bible 1 - One Year War edition or Mediaworks MS Encyclopedia 2003).

MS-14Jg Gelgoog Jager
Notes: The correct German spelling of the word meaning hunter is jäger [with the umlaut on the a, just like in Kämpfer; the term jager (whit a simple a) indicates a type of sail], so the name of this MS should be written Gelgoog Jäger.

RH-35E Riah 35 Draken-E

Notes: During episode 5, nuclear warheads are embarked on the Tivvay class Graf Zeppelin. This operation is carried out by two kind of mobile workers, one of them is clearly a light green-coloured version of Draken-E (with minor modifications: e.g. arms), which therefore should be added on Zeon listings.
The other type of mobile worker is painted in yellow, and in my opinion doesn't resemble any already-known working mecha. Obviously, it can be unofficially labeled as "Zeon Mobile Worker", but perhaps this is not the kind of things that MAHQ would list...

In this same episode 5 scene, one can see another mecha: at a first glance it can be confused with an MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai handlig a 120mm machinegun, but at a closer inspection it clearly shows no head or leg power tubes and no left shoulder shield. It can be considered a sort of "Zaku I Kai", or perhaps a redesigned version of the standard MS-05B Zaku I. Indeed, this latter option seems supported by the History section of Entertainment Bible 1 - One Year War edition (pages 64-65), where the mass production of Zaku I is illustrated by units which are graphically based on MS-06FZ. In any case, I suppose again that there would be some problems in listing it on MAHQ profiles.

Vehicles and Support Units

Camouflaged Freighter

Unit type: ferry ship
Notes: This is the civilian space vessel used by Cyclops team during Operation Rubicon to sneak into Libot colony. A clear depiction can be seen in Mediaworks Mobile Suit Gundam Data Collection 3 - One Year War Side Stories.

A rather enigmatic Zeon space vessel is that sort of white supply ship seen in episode 5 together with the Tivvay class Graf Zeppelin and two Musai class (final production type). For its general structure it might recall a Pazock class ship, but I don't know if i's intended to be an upgraded model or what else...I noted its presene only for the sake of completeness.

Riah Colony Defense Forces

Vehicles and Support Units

Besides sevreal RH-35E Riah 35 Draken-E, the defence forces deployed in episode 4 to counter MS-18E are formed by at least one helicopter (a two-seater model, apparently unarmed) plus some Missile cars. These latter are probably intended to be the same as in Mobile Suit Gundam episode 1, since in both cases we see 6-wheeled armored cars armed with an 8-tube missile launcher.

Next time: 0083 8)


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Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory / Last Blitz of Zeon

Earth Federation Forces

Mobile Weapons

RX-78GP01 Gundam "Zephyranthes"
Notes: As previously noted by Mark064, some names constantly change, and actually my remarks would seem a superfluous quibble, but I think that the formally most correct name for this MS is Gundam Prototype Unit 1 "Zephyranthes", as reported for instance by Mobile Suit Gundam 0083 official website.
Likewise, names of the other GP series Gundams should be listed as:
RX-78GP01-Fb Gundam Prototype Unit 1 "Zephyranthes" Full Vernian
RX-78GP02A Gundam Prototype Unit 2 "Physalis"
RX-78GP03 Gundam Prototype Unit 3 " Dendrobium"

[whereas the term "Orchis" properly refers only to the unmanned Armored Base]
RX-78GP03S Gundam Prototype Unit 3 "Stamen"
[although some surces actually report Gundam "Dendrobium Stamen" (e.g. Entertainment Bible 46 - MS Picture Encyclopedia Part.7: Delaz Conflict Edition second volume), most times the first part of such a name is omitted, and actually, I prefer to indicate as "Dendrobium" only the combination of "Stamen" + "Orchis"]

Columbus Kai class
Notes: In the recent Haruhiko Mikimoto manga Mobile Suit Gundam École du Ciel, this type of ship is called Antietam class, a Columbus-based carrier which existence dates back to the old MSV books. Nevertheless most sources (e.g. Mediaworks Mobile Suit Gundam Data Collection 3 - One Year War Side Stories; Entertainment Bible 46 - MS Picture Encyclopedia Part.7: Delaz Conflict Edition second volume) indicate the 0083 model as Columbus Kai class. I suppose that an "hybrid" designation Columbus Kai (Antietam) class [similarly to MAHQ listing for the Fuji class (Salamis Kai) in Gundam the Ride: A Baoa Qu] would be adquate for both 0083 and École du Ciel (as well as MSV) units.

Command Vehicle
Notes: this 6-wheeled armored car is used as a command base during the Powered GM test in episode 1. A clear depiction can be seen on Mediaworks Mobile Suit Gundam Data Collection 3 - One Year War Side Stories and Entertainment Bible 46 - MS Picture Encyclopedia Part.7: Delaz Conflict Edition second volume.

Pegasus class (refit) Stallion
Notes: during the naval review in episode 9, two Pegasus class (refit) can be seen: one is the Gray Phantom (already appeared in 0080, and correctly listed by MAHQ profiles), while the other is the Stallion, labeled as MSC-06 or LMSD-77 or SCVA-74. It has no external difference compared to its "sister" Gray Phantom, as confirmed also by the Data Gundam section of a 2006 Gundam Ace issue.

Titans

Mobile Weapons

RGM-79Q GM Quel

Notes: units actually appearing in the animation (episode 13) differ from the offical lineart (as well as from Master Grade and High Grade Universal Century models), since their arms are the same as RGM-79C GM Kai, and they have those square blocks on the skirt armor (Converter System, according tho the Master Grade kit manual) painted in black. Some unofficial references claim that these are Early Mass Production Type models, lacking the movable frame arms of the subsequent units. Does someone know if this is supported by any official source?

Vehicles and Support Units

Trailer

Unit type: MS transport trailer
Notes: this upgraded version of the wheeled platform appeared in Mobile Suit Gundam is seen in episode 13, during the GM Quel scene. A clear depiction can be seen on Entertainment Bible 46 - MS Picture Encyclopedia Part.7: Delaz Conflict Edition second volume.

Delaz Fleet

Mobile Weapons

MS-09F Dom Funf

Notes: The correct German spelling of the word meaning five is fünf [with the umlaut on the u], so the name of this MS should be written Dom Fünf. Furthermore, it should be listed under Principality of Zeon, since the Delaz Fleet didn't existed as a separte faction during the One Year War.

Anaheim Electronics

Vehicles and Support Units

La Vie En Rose

Notes: In Advance of Zeta episode 5.6 (originarily appeared on Dengeki Hobby Magazine September 2006 issue, and lately on Advance of Zeta official artbook vol. 5) Anaheim's space dock Rosa Gigantea is described as a La Vie En Rose-class dockship. As previously noted by toysdream, the distinction between "class" and "type" isn't made very consistently in the Japanese sources. Nevertheless, in this case the adopted kanji is kyu, which I've always found used in the meaning of "class" (whereas "type" better corresponds both to the kanji "kata" and the katakana "TAIPU"). Basing on this assumptions, one would probably say that the dockship seen in 0083 (as well as in Z and ZZ) should be technically listed as La Vie En Rose class (La Vie En Rose).

Colony Corporation Ship
Notes: the image provided by MAHQ for this space vessel actually is that of an Earth Federation Forces Patrol Vessel (according to the name indicated in Mediaworks Mobile Suit Gundam Data Collection 3 - One Year War Side Stories; Entertainment Bible 46 - MS Picture Encyclopedia Part.7: Delaz Conflict Edition second volume), used in episode 10 to discover the location of the Cima Fleet.
As confirmed by Entertainment Bible 46, the true Colony Corporation Ship (indicated as Colony Corporation Shuttle or Colony Corporation Ferry Ship) is quite different, although it appears in the same episode.


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Thanks for the items. I've just addressed a bunch of other minor corrections, so I'll be focusing on this material next.

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RX-78GP01 Gundam "Zephyranthes"
Notes: As previously noted by Mark064, some names constantly change, and actually my remarks would seem a superfluous quibble, but I think that the formally most correct name for this MS is Gundam Prototype Unit 1 "Zephyranthes", as reported for instance by Mobile Suit Gundam 0083 official website.

The official Web site doesn't provide an English spelling, though. It lists the name in Japanese as ガンダム試作1号機 and puts the "Zephyranthes" name under a separate "codename" heading.

When it comes to English spellings, I think the best guide is actually the 2006 edition of the MS Encyclopedia, which lists Sunrise-approved English spellings for every featured mobile suit. Here, these machines are listed as "Gundam GP01", "Gundam GP01Fb", "Gundam GP02A", "Gundam GP03S", and "Gundam GP03 Dendrobium." This is exactly how they're listed on the HG-UC kits, as well. Based on the last example, I think we could reasonably tack the codename on the end a la "Gundam GP01 Zephyranthes", but I don't believe the term "Prototype Unit 1" has ever been spelled out in English in any Sunrise or Bandai product.


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Columbus Kai class
Notes: In the recent Haruhiko Mikimoto manga Mobile Suit Gundam École du Ciel, this type of ship is called Antietam class, a Columbus-based carrier which existence dates back to the old MSV books. Nevertheless most sources (e.g. Mediaworks Mobile Suit Gundam Data Collection 3 - One Year War Side Stories; Entertainment Bible 46 - MS Picture Encyclopedia Part.7: Delaz Conflict Edition second volume) indicate the 0083 model as Columbus Kai class.

Ecole du Ciel notwithstanding, these are different ships. The Antietam class mentioned in the MSV series is a regular Columbus converted into a carrier. The "Columbus Kai" from Gundam 0083 is used as both a carrier and a transport ship, and it's visibly different, with three compartments on each side instead of the original two. So unlike the Antietam, it's been remodeled to add 50% more cargo space. I think we should stick with the "Columbus Kai" name given in the official materials.


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Pegasus class (refit) Stallion
Notes: during the naval review in episode 9, two Pegasus class (refit) can be seen: one is the Gray Phantom (already appeared in 0080, and correctly listed by MAHQ profiles), while the other is the Stallion, labeled as MSC-06 or LMSD-77 or SCVA-74. It has no external difference compared to its "sister" Gray Phantom, as confirmed also by the Data Gundam section of a 2006 Gundam Ace issue.

The second Gray Phantom-type ship is never named or identified in Gundam 0083 itself. The Data Gundam writer may think it's the Stallion, but that's just an educated guess.


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RGM-79Q GM Quel
Notes: units actually appearing in the animation (episode 13) differ from the offical lineart (as well as from Master Grade and High Grade Universal Century models), since their arms are the same as RGM-79C GM Kai, and they have those square blocks on the skirt armor (Converter System, according tho the Master Grade kit manual) painted in black.

Now that's interesting! It looks like they're actually a kind of hybrid - they have the standard GM Quel shoulder armor and the same "bands" around their lower arms, but the discs on their elbow joints show that they're using the same construction as the GM Kai rather than the movable frame-type joints adopted later.

I've never seen these versions named in an official source, but then again I'd never noticed this before. At the very least, I think these rare mutants deserve their own profile. :-)


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First of all, I'd like to thank everybody, but particularly Mark064, Chris and the great toysdream: I'm glad that someone appreciated these small notes. :)
And now, let's start with the scheduled contribution!

Mobile Suit Z Gundam
Although the series is quite well covered by MAHQ profiles, I have some little remarks and additions. Of course, there are also many non-listed minor mecha, but they're mostly civilian, such as the unnamed small plane used by Amuro in episode 13 or the nearly ubiquitous jeeps and ele-cars.

AEUG (Anti-Earth Union Group)/Karaba

H.L.L.V.
Unit type: heavy lift cargo vehicle
Notes: This large transport capsule, which name stands for Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle, is essentially the same as the H.L.V. seen in 0083. It's used by AEUG forces in epsiode 16 (and in the corresponding part of Mobile Suit Z Gundam II - Lovers) to launch from Hickory spaceport, storing inside the MSN-00100 Hyaku Shiki. As explained in Asahiya Shuppan Mobile Suit Gundam Film Book Series 1 - Zeta Gundam Part 1, its payload is from 10 to 100 times that of an ordinary shuttle; all around the circumference of its detachable lower section it's provided of 8 external fuel tank and several nozzle thrusters.

Small type spaceboat
Unit type: space launch
Notes. This small boat is used by Char, Shinta and Qum in episode 27 to board on Argama. A clear depiction can be seen on Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Mechanical Edition Vol.2 (Newtype 100% Collection n.4).

Temptation
Notes: According to Take Shobo The Gundam Chronicles - The History of Mobile Suit Gundam Animations 1979-1999, this name designated a class of shuttles, rather than a single unit. This idea is supported also by the explicit "Temptation class" heading for the scratchbuild model appeared on March 2004 issue of Dengeki Hobby Magazine (lately on Advance of Zeta official artbook vol. 3, page 53). In any case, at least three units are seen on Mobile Suit Z Gundam: one is used by AEUG, one by Earth Federation Forces (also in episode 12) and one, not listed in MAHQ profiles, by Titans' Jamitov Hymem (at the beginning of epsiode 21).
A different type of space shuttle (nameless, as far as I know), is that used in episode 13 by AEUG to launch from Kennedy base.

Transport plane
Unit type: cargo plane
Notes: This strange medium-sized plane is used by Amuro in episode 14 (and in the corresponding part of Mobile Suit Z Gundam I - Heir to the Stars) to desperately ram Buran Blutarch's NRX-044 Asshimar.

Transport ship
Unit type: space transport ship
Armament: single cannon x 1, machinegun x 2
Notes: During episode 11 at least seven of these ships are used to carry supplies for the AEUG fleet before the Jaburo drop operation. Each ship drags a double set of three containers.

Earth Federation Forces

MS-06K Zaku Cannon
Notes: As far as I know, the space use refined models embarked on the Alexandria class (refit) Hario and seen in episode 11 belong to Titans rather than EFF, so they should be listed under that faction.

RGM-79R (RGM-179) GM II
Notes: Although this isn't their most distinctive MS, the red-colored GM IIs is used also by Titans, so it should be listed under them too.
Some of you probably already know it, but as a mere curiosity I note that besides the red RGM-179 and the green RGM-79R other two GM II color schemes are present in the show:
1) classic Titans black and blue (partially seen in episode 1, when Quattro enters in Gryps colony; only feet and the lower part of the legs are visible, but basing on the aspect of calves, ankle support units and on the sole / thruster pattern, one can exclude that it may be a fourth RX-178, being in the meantime reasonably sure that this is a black RGM-179; as a less likely alternative one can identify it as an RX-78 in Titans colors, whereas the only remaining possibility, i.e. a RGM-79Q GM Quel, is obviously impossible since these latter MSs were designed many years after the release of Mobile Suit Z Gundam);
2) "Nemo colors" (a few AEUG use RGM-79R units are painted just like MSA-003 Nemo, such as some of those appearing in episodes 10 and 11).

RX-77-2 Guncannon
Notes: Perhaps it's not exactly the kind of things that MAHQ profiles list, but a natural size replica of Hayato Kobayashi's Guncannon C 108 is clearly seen in episode 13, at the aerospace museum of the Kennedy Space Center.
As observed by Mark064 in another thread of this forum, in the same scenes other mechas are seen: they are clearly based on Xabungle designs, but since Dengeki MS Encyclopedia 2003 and other sources explicitely show them (labeled as EFF prototype MSs, albeit nameless), they cannot be considered as mere "inside jokes"...In any case I reported them only for the usual sake of completeness.

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Missile car
Notes: The armored cars equipped with an 8-tube missile launcher seen at Jaburo base in episode 12 are most likely intended to be the same as tose featuring in Mobile Suit Gundam and 0080.

Trailer
Notes: This wheeled platform with a crane arm is rather similar to the version featured in 0083. It's used both by Earth Federation Forces (episode 12, transporting a Temptation shuttle inside Jaburo hangar) and Titans (episode 2, recovering the RX-178 unit 03), so it should have a listing for each of these factions.

Space launch
Unit type: space launch
Notes: This small boat embarked on the Alexandria class cruiser in episode 6 is clearly depicted by Take Shobo The Gundam Chronicles - The History of Mobile Suit Gundam Animations 1979-1999.

Titans

MS-06M (MSM-01) Zaku Marine Type
Notes: Although its main spec is the same as the MSV version, the M type Zakus featuring in Mobile Suit Z Gundam have their original cockpit replaced by a RMS-106's linear seat. Most sources, including the original Bandai 1/144 scale model kit, Take Shobo The Gundam Chronicles - The History of Mobile Suit Gundam Animations 1979-1999 and Asahiya Shuppan Mobile Suit Gundam Film Book Series 1 - Zeta Gundam Part 1 properly refer to it as MS-06M Marine Hizack.

RX-121-2A Gundam TR-1 [Advanced Hazel]
Notes: I'm not completey sure that the unit briefly appearing at Konpeitoh on Mobile Suit Z Gundam III - Love is the Pulse of the Stars can be considered an Advanced Hazel, since it shows a slightly different color scheme. More in particular, its arms are grey, whereas those of the "standard" RX-121-2A are blue: this leads me to regard it as the Primrose-equipped Hazel, i.e. RX-121-2 [Hazel Owsla], which from the rear is very similar to Advanced Hazel, differing just for the arm color (grey instead of blue).

Dodai Kai
Notes: As can be seen in episode 38, when the Garuda class Melord launches two RMS-106 riding grey-colored Dodai Kais to escort the RX-160 on a Base Jabber, this atmospheric sub flight system is used also by Titans forces, and therefore it should be listed under this faction as well.

Spacejobber "Gator"
Notes: I suppose that the transliteration of the original katakana GETA- used by MAHQ is based on official sources, but as a curiosity, it must be noted that according to Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Mechanical Edition Vol.2 (Newtype 100% Collection n.4) and Mobile Suit Gundam Char's Counterattack (Newtype 100% Collection n.10) the term Geta (in kanji, indicating a sort of Japanese footwear similar to clogs) is used as general nickname to designate all sub flight systems from Dodai YS onwards.

Musai Kai class
Notes: I don't think these ships really belong to the Titans, and I suspect that they should most properly listed under a separate Republic of Zeon heading. Indeed, sources as Asahiya Shuppan Mobile Suit Gundam Film Book Series 1 - Zeta Gundam Part 1 explicitely assign these refined Musais to Republic of Zeon forces, together with the Chivvay Kai class and some green RMS-106 (among which there is at least a commander antenna-equipped unit).


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MS-06K Zaku Cannon
Notes: As far as I know, the space use refined models embarked on the Alexandria class (refit) Hario and seen in episode 11 belong to Titans rather than EFF, so they should be listed under that faction.


Actually, as we pointed out in a thread not that long ago, the Hario is an EFF ship, with EFF Hizacks and an EFF crew, which would make the Zaku Cannons EFF units as well. However, the distiction doesn't matter as the Zeta section now lists the Titans and EFF together in a single group.

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1) classic Titans black and blue (partially seen in episode 1, when Quattro enters in Gryps colony; only feet and the lower part of the legs are visible, but basing on the aspect of calves, ankle support units and on the sole / thruster pattern, one can exclude that it may be a fourth RX-178, being in the meantime reasonably sure that this is a black RGM-179; as a less likely alternative one can identify it as an RX-78 in Titans colors, whereas the only remaining possibility, i.e. a RGM-79Q GM Quel, is obviously impossible since these latter MSs were designed many years after the release of Mobile Suit Z Gundam);


There is another possibility: it's another mobile suit we never saw. I don't think we can really assume it's a GM II (Although it, along with it's being retconned to be a GM Quel, does make the most sense).

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2) "Nemo colors" (a few AEUG use RGM-79R units are painted just like MSA-003 Nemo, such as some of those appearing in episodes 10 and 11).


Those things show up quite a few times around the time the Nemo is introduced. Another is also saved by Kamille around the time Axis shows up in the show (I forget the exact episode).

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Musai Kai class
Notes: I don't think these ships really belong to the Titans, and I suspect that they should most properly listed under a separate Republic of Zeon heading. Indeed, sources as Asahiya Shuppan Mobile Suit Gundam Film Book Series 1 - Zeta Gundam Part 1 explicitely assign these refined Musais to Republic of Zeon forces, together with the Chivvay Kai class and some green RMS-106 (among which there is at least a commander antenna-equipped unit).


You're a bit late on that one, as such a change (And the seperate RoZ heading with the Musai Kai and Hizack) was made not that long ago. :mrgreen:

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Temptation
Notes: According to Take Shobo The Gundam Chronicles - The History of Mobile Suit Gundam Animations 1979-1999, this name designated a class of shuttles, rather than a single unit. This idea is supported also by the explicit "Temptation class" heading for the scratchbuild model appeared on March 2004 issue of Dengeki Hobby Magazine (lately on Advance of Zeta official artbook vol. 3, page 53). In any case, at least three units are seen on Mobile Suit Z Gundam: one is used by AEUG, one by Earth Federation Forces (also in episode 12) and one, not listed in MAHQ profiles, by Titans' Jamitov Hymem (at the beginning of epsiode 21).

Jamitov's personal transport is the Temptation-class space shuttle "Bluffstation."


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RGM-79R (RGM-179) GM II
Notes: Although this isn't their most distinctive MS, the red-colored GM IIs is used also by Titans, so it should be listed under them too.

Since Titans and Federation machines are listed together right now, it's a moot point for the time being, but I'm not sure the Titans themselves ever use the GM II. The ones we see defending Green Noa 1 in the second episode are operated by regular Federation Forces pilots, as you can tell from their normal suits - regular Federation pilots wear navy blue suits with white shoulder pads. A handful of GM II units come along to pursue the Argama and show up in episode 6, but I don't know if we see their pilots this time, so it's unclear whether they're still being used by the regular Federation Forces.

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1) classic Titans black and blue (partially seen in episode 1, when Quattro enters in Gryps colony;

This is definitely a GM II, but I don't think we can really say whether it has a darker color scheme or if it's just in deep shadow.


I'll also second mcred23's comment on the Zaku Cannon: It's a moot point now, but these machines, like the Hario and the blue Hizacks that accompany them, seem to be regular Federation Forces machines. The same is true for the Zaku Recon Type that appears in episode 10, whose pilot wears the blue-and-white normal suit of the regular Federation Forces. On the whole, it seems like these vintage One Year War mobile suits are used only by the regular Federation Forces, while the Titans exclusively use new models like the Hizack and Marasai.


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MS-06M (MSM-01) Zaku Marine Type
Notes: Although its main spec is the same as the MSV version, the M type Zakus featuring in Mobile Suit Z Gundam have their original cockpit replaced by a RMS-106's linear seat.

Yep. In fact, the kit manual from the Zeta Gundam version claims that the Marine Hizack is actually based on the prototype RX-106 version of the Hizack, and that it has a new generator and internal frame as well as a linear seat. But since it uses the same exterior as the original Zaku Marine Type, it wasn't given a new model number.

I'm not sure if this is an exception to the "Titans only use new machines" rule of thumb. Does anyone recall whether we see any of the Marine Hizack pilots in episode 18?


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RX-121-2A Gundam TR-1 [Advanced Hazel]
Notes: I'm not completey sure that the unit briefly appearing at Konpeitoh on Mobile Suit Z Gundam III - Love is the Pulse of the Stars can be considered an Advanced Hazel, since it shows a slightly different color scheme.

Also hard to say. Calling it a Hazel Owsla wouldn't address the coloring issues, though; the only known Owsla color schemes are solid grayish-white, and the standard Titans black-and-blue, so there's no version with blue legs and gray arms.


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Spacejobber "Gator"
Notes: I suppose that the transliteration of the original katakana GETA- used by MAHQ is based on official sources, but as a curiosity, it must be noted that according to Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Mechanical Edition Vol.2 (Newtype 100% Collection n.4) and Mobile Suit Gundam Char's Counterattack (Newtype 100% Collection n.10) the term Geta (in kanji, indicating a sort of Japanese footwear similar to clogs) is used as general nickname to designate all sub flight systems from Dodai YS onwards.

True, but that Japanese nickname is written geta while the flying platform is written getaa with a long final vowel, so it stands to reason they'd be spelled differently.

Actually, looking at the terminology list for the English version of Zeta Gundam, I see that Sunrise listed this as "Getter." Since its atmospheric sibling is written as "Base Jabber," then, this should be "Space Jabber Getter."

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