Errors in the Genesis Climber MOSPEADA section

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Errors in the Genesis Climber MOSPEADA section

Post by Seto Kaiba » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:37 pm

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I was helping a friend of mine create some homebrew RPG stats for the mecha and ships from the original Genesis Climber MOSPEADA, and he noted that the stats on MAHQ didn't line up with what I was quoting to him from the official publications. So, I took a look, and I found quite a lot of errors in that section... most of it seems to have come from comically-inaccurate Robotech RPG rather than any official source.

Going one article at a time:

AB-01 TREAD

(All comments can also be applied to the Dark TLEAD entry, though it is worth noting that the Dark TLEAD does not have a variant letter.)
AB-01 TREAD
This is actually an incorrect name... the correct spelling (seen in both the animation of Ep10 and the line art) is TLEAD, an acronym for Transport Legioss Escort Armored Dreadnought.

Unit type: TRans EArth Deployment heavy transformable fighter
See the above.


Total dry weight: 29.50 tons
Correct weight is 26.40 metric tons, per MOSPEADA: Complete Art Works (pg55)


Primary engines: JG102A liquid hydrogen cell turbine x 3
Secondary engines: ATF-401 (producing 4800kg of thrust each) x 4
Per the official stats (same source as above), this should read:
Primary Engine: 2x AB-S-101 rated at 2,040shp
Secondary Engine: 1x ATF-404 rated at 1,800kg

Nothing (officially) said about "liquid hydrogen cell turbines".


Fuel capacity: standard HBT cell (4-pak x 8)
Offhand, I'm not aware of any MOSPEADA source that identifies the number of HBT cells a TLEAD uses... this is, IINM, a Robotech-ism with no connection to the original show.


HBT supply: 250 hours (10 days) operational use
Yeah, this is a Robotech-ism too... in the official MOSPEADA stats for the Ride Armors, one HBT3 cell gets you about 30 minutes of continuous operation time in a Ride Armor (or about 300-400km of driving distance). Sixteen cells is not gonna get you 10 days.


Delta-V (space): 1.8 kps with internal reaction mass
Also a great big nope...


Fixed armament: EP-4 3-barrel particle cannon x 2, EU-35 3-barrel ion pulse cannon x 2, 250 kg guided HE bomb x 16, 500 kg cluster bomb x 8,
MM-20 multimissile system: 10-tube chest-mounted launcher x 2, MM-16 multimissile system: 8-tube popup launcher x 2
This... bears no resemblance to the Japanese text at all. Quoted from the official spec (same citation as above), we have:

空対空ミサイル48発 = 48 air-to-air missiles
3連レーサーボンブランチャ×2 = 3 barrel laser bomb launchers x2
ナパーム弾72発 = 72 napalm bombs
3連30mmバルカン砲×3 = 3 barrel 30mm Vulcan cannon x3
3連速射レーサーカノン×2 = 3 barrel rapid fire laser cannon x2

(The 48 missiles are in the two dorsal 8-tube launchers, the ten tube launchers in the chest are an off-model animation error. The "laser bomb launchers" are the doodad that sticks up from the top of the craft, the vulcan cannons are the forward-facing guns in armo-bomber mode, and the laser cannons are the forearm guns in armo-soldier mode.)


Optional fixed armament: jammer pod x 6, 200mm x 590mm Buckshot multi-warhead short-range missile x 84, nuclear missile x 6, 260mm x 1.2m Diamondback medium-range missile x 42
Standard handheld armament: EP-14 3-barrel 80mm Gatling beam gun x 1
None of this is in the MOSPEADA material either.



Armo-Bomber mode:
Total length: 9.70 meters
Total height: 6.10 meters
Total wingspan: 19.50 meters
Max. level speed (sea level): Mach .7
Max. level speed (18000 meters): Mach 1.8
Stall speed: 250 km/h (VTOL rectification possible)
Initial climb rate: over 40000 meters per minute (with boosters)
Unboosted service ceiling: 35000 meters (can be boosted to orbit)
Should read:
Armo-Bomber mode:
Total length: 8.72 meters
Total height: 3.70 meters
Total wingspan: 18.36 meters
Max. level speed (sea level): NOT CITED
Max. level speed (18000 meters): Mach 2.8
Stall speed: NOT CITED
Initial climb rate: NOT CITED
Unboosted service ceiling: NOT CITED


Armo-Diver mode:
Total length: 8.00 meters
Total height: 8.50 meters
Total wingspan: 19.50 meters
Stall speed: None (VTOL)
Service ceiling: 18000 meters
The TLEAD doesn't even HAVE a listed Armo-Diver mode.


Armo-Soldier mode:
Total length: 7.30 meters
Total height: 13.70 meters
Total width: 8.50 meters
Max. running speed: 128 km/h
Max. flying speed: 482 km/h
Service ceiling: 2440 meters
Should read:

Armo-Soldier mode:
Total length: NOT CITED
Total height: 10.50 meters
Total width: 7.48 meters
Max. running speed: NOT CITED
Max. flying speed: 210km/h
Service ceiling: NOT CITED
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Re: Errors in the Genesis Climber MOSPEADA section

Post by Seto Kaiba » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:44 pm

Next up: AF-01 Condor

The correct name of this mecha is AS-C03 Condor. (MOSPEADA Complete Art Works page 61).

There are no official stats for this mecha in MOSPEADA, though the unit was roughly the same size as a Legioss in armo-soldier mode.

The AS-C03 Condor was a mass-production predecessor to the Legioss, and was used in the failed 1st Earth Recapture Operation in 2080.
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Re: Errors in the Genesis Climber MOSPEADA section

Post by Seto Kaiba » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:50 pm

AFC-01D Dark Legioss

Like the Dark TLEAD, the Dark Legioss does not actually have a variant letter in official material... the correct name is just "AFC-01 Dark Legioss".

Its stats are, in almost all respects, identical to the standard Iota Legioss. I'll leave the common corrections shared by the base Legioss models to a later post.

Standard handheld armament: EU-13 destabilizer beam cannon x 1
There is no such weapon as a "Destabilizer" in MOSPEADA.

This weapon is identified as a synchrotron cannon (シンクロトロン砲) in the Japanese text... the same type of weapon introduced as a turret-based gun in episode 23.
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Re: Errors in the Genesis Climber MOSPEADA section

Post by Seto Kaiba » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:03 pm

AFC-01H Eta Legioss

Corrections from MOSPEADA Complete Art Works pg44-52, MOSPEADA Graffiti pg42-43... also applicable to the Iota Legioss and Dark Legioss.
Primary engines: JG-97M liquid hydrogen cell turbine (producing 1840shp each) x 2
Secondary engines: ATF-401 (producing 4800kg of thrust each) x 4
Fuel capacity: standard HBT cell (4-pak x 4), dedicated canister for EP-13 x 1-2
HBT supply: 250 hours (10 days) operational use
Delta-V (space): 1.8 kps with internal reaction mass
Fixed armament: MM-60 multimissile system: 8-tube shoulder-mounted launcher x 2, 5-tube forearm-mounted launcher x 4, 4-tube outer leg-mounted launcher x 4, 4-tube inner leg-mounted launcher (only shoulder and inside leg launchers are accessible in Armo-Fighter mode) x 2
Optional fixed armament: 8-tube left shoulder-mounted missile pod x 1, missile (3 under each intake) x 6
Standard handheld armament: EP-13 80mm 3-barrel Gatling beam gun x 1
Optional handheld armament: EP-13 80mm 3-barrel Gatling beam gun x 1
Should read:

Primary engines: JG-97M (1,840shp) x2
Secondary engines: ATF-401 4,800kgf x4
Fuel capacity: 16 HBT3 cells (4x 4-pack)
HBT supply: NOT CITED (the 10 days thing is from Robotech)
Delta-V (space): NOT CITED
Fixed armament: Up to 60 internal missiles (内蔵ミサイル最大60発)
Standard handheld armament: 80mm Beam Gun x1 (80mmビームキャノン)
Optional handheld armament: 80mm Beam Gun x1 (80mmビームキャノン)


Max. level speed (sea level): Mach 1.0
Max. level speed (18000 meters): Mach 2.3
Stall speed: 182 km/h (VTOL rectification possible)
Initial climb rate: over 20000 meters per minute
Unboosted service ceiling: 26000 meters
Should read:

Max. level speed (sea level): NOT CITED
Max. level speed (18000 meters): Mach 2.3
Stall speed: NOT CITED
Initial climb rate: NOT CITED
Unboosted service ceiling: NOT CITED


Armo-Diver mode:
Total length: 8.00 meters
Total height: 5.72 meters
Total width: 4.84 meters
Max level speed: 1200 km/h at 12000 meters
Stall speed: None (VTOL)
Service ceiling: 15000 meters
Should read:

Total length: 6.90 meters (8.85 meters with arms stowed)
Total height: 6.05 meters (5.20 meters with arms stowed)
Total width: 4.30 meters (6.40 meters with arms stowed)
Max level speed: 312km/h (680km/h with arms stowed at 10m)
Stall speed: None (VTOL)
Service ceiling: NOT CITED


Armo-Soldier mode:
Total length: 5.25 meters
Total height: 8.75 meters
Total width: 4.30 meters
Max. running speed: 120 km/h
Max. flying speed: 482 km/h
Service ceiling: 3050 meters
Should read:

Total length: NOT CITED
Total height: 8.75 meters
Total width: 4.30 meters
Max. running speed: 120 km/h
Max. flying speed: NOT CITED
Max. jump height: 200 meters
Service ceiling: NOT CITED
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Post by Seto Kaiba » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:12 pm

AFC-01J Jagd Legioss

The correct name for this mecha is "Unmanned Dark Legioss". (MCAW pg63) Like the other Dark versions, it has no variant letter.

Its stats should be identical to the Dark Legioss's (meaning the same as the Eta/Iota Legioss) but for the addition of the 24 additional missiles in the two "large missile bays" on the dorsal hull.
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Re: Errors in the Genesis Climber MOSPEADA section

Post by Seto Kaiba » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:21 pm

AFC-01Z Zeta Legioss
Primary engines: JG-97M liquid hydrogen-cell turbine (producing 1840shp each) x 2
Secondary engines: ATF-401 (producing 4800kg of thrust each) x 4
Fuel capacity: standard HBT cell (4 x 4-pak), dedicated canister for EP-13 x 1-2
HBT supply: 250 hours (10 days) operational use
Delta-V (space): 1.8 kps with internal reaction mass
Should read: (per MCAW pg54)

Primary engines: JG-99 (2,050shp) x2
Secondary engines: ATF-415 (5,100kgf) x4
Fuel capacity: As on the other Legioss models
HBT supply: NOT CITED (as on other Legioss models)
Delta-V (space): NOT CITED (as on other Legioss models)

Armament is the same as the standard Eta/Iota Legioss as described above, as are the physical dimensions.

Max. level speed (sea level): Mach 1.0
Max. level speed (18000 meters): Mach 2.3
Stall speed: 182 km/h (VTOL rectification possible)
Initial climb rate: over 20000 meters per minute
Unboosted service ceiling: 26000 meters
Should read:

Max. level speed (sea level): NOT CITED
Max. level speed (18000 meters): Mach 2.5
Stall speed: NOT CITED
Initial climb rate: NOT CITED
Unboosted service ceiling: NOT CITED


Armo-Diver mode:
Max level speed: 368km/h (775km/h with arms stowed at 10m)
Stall speed: None (VTOL)
Service ceiling: NOT CITED

Armo-Soldier mode:
Max. running speed: 110 km/h
Max. flying speed: 482 km/h
Service ceiling: 3050 meter
Should read:

Armo-Soldier mode:
Max. running speed: 140 km/h
Max. flying speed: NOT CITED
Max. jump height: 300 meters
Service ceiling: NOT CITED
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Re: Errors in the Genesis Climber MOSPEADA section

Post by Seto Kaiba » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:33 pm

VR-038A Bartley & VR-038L Bartley

The correct name for both of these designs is VR-038L Bartley. Shinobu's Bartley was the same L variant as Hoquet's, just painted a different color and carrying a camera instead of weapons. (Per MOSPEADA: Complete Art Works pg40.)
Unit type: mass production transformable motorcycle
Total weight: 72 kg
HBT supply: 100 hours (5 days) operational use
Fixed armament: RL-6 rocket launcher x 1
Pilot: Houquet et Rose
Mechanical designer: Shinji Aramaki
Per page 38 of Complete Art Works, the Bartley's stat line should be:

Unit type: mass production ride armor
Total weight: 140 kg (not counting weapons)
Engine: HBT ceramic turbine engine (83HP/14,500rpm)
Rockets: 250kgf x2 (Ride Armor mode only)
HBT supply: 300km driving distance OR 20 minutes operating time in Ride Armor mode.
Fixed armament: Auto-Bazooka (holds 6 rockets)


Ride mode:
Total length: 2.05 meters
Total height: 1.09 meters
Total width: 0.50 meters
Standard cruising speed: 128 km/h
Max level speed: 336 km/h
Should read:

Armor Bike Mode:
Total length: 2.05 meters
Total height: NOT CITED
Total width: NOT CITED
Standard cruising speed: NOT CITED
Max level speed: 200 km/h


Armor mode:
Total length: 1.60 meters
Total height: 2.10 meters
Total width: 1.03 meters
Running speed: equal to pilot's
Flying speed: 288 km/h up to 61 meters; hovering at 9.10 meters
Should read:

Ride Armor mode:
Total length: NOT CITED
Total height: 2.05 meters
Total width: NOT CITED
Running speed: NOT CITED
Flying speed: 66km/h
Jump height: 100 meters (rocket assisted)
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