Ep. 023 - Checkmate!

[Flame-X]

WOW! 248 min.

Keep up the great work guys but don't wear yourselves out. I'm gonna burn this on CD and listen to it in my car. Hehe.

[GN-003 Kyrios]

Keep the straight talk express thing going. Even though it was in only one ep so far its addressed some of the things that drives me crazy about some fans.

[Vent Noir]

On "Is Lelouch dead?", I wouldn't want him to come back in canon (plus, I'd like to see how other cast members handle things in his absence). But on the other hand, I'd love to see him return in a Super Robot Wars game when Code Geass gets in there (especially since SRW makes a point of preventing several deaths anyway) - after the end of the storylines for Code Geass and most of the other anime, the cast (naturally) goes off to fight the final boss' forces. Just when the good guys are taking a beatdown and things are looking bleak, Zero appears, giving one of his trademark speeches before activating a strategy that he had planned that turns the tide against the Big Bad.

[Kavik Ryx]

While we all have to accept that Lelouch is in fact dead, how much we wish he was not says loads about his character. If he was dislikable, we wouldn't have cared. However, he was, and that makes all the difference.

And at the risk of sounding like sounding corny, sappy, and borderline tacky; he still is alive in CC's heart.

[hotlimit]

I've haven't listened to the whole episode yet (it's gonna take a while), but what is the very first background song that plays? I remember it from all the SD Gundam G Generation games, but I don't know if it's from Wing or what.

Anybody can help out, I'm sure I'm the only one who doesn't know exactly where it's from.

[Ohmygodiamonfire]

Another great episode guys, I really love these showkiller episodes.
I am also glad to have been able to make AmuroNt1 become emo.

[Areku]

I've haven't listened to the whole episode yet (it's gonna take a while), but what is the very first background song that plays? I remember it from all the SD Gundam G Generation games, but I don't know if it's from Wing or what.

Anybody can help out, I'm sure I'm the only one who doesn't know exactly where it's from.

That would be from Wing.

[hotlimit]

Anybody can help out, I'm sure I'm the only one who doesn't know exactly where it's from.

That would be from Wing.

Thanks man, what a badass name for a song, too.

[Areku]

And on that note, now that I know that song was created by Ko Otani, whenever I hear it I will picture a Pikmin-sized human attacking Wing Zero's shin with a toothpick. (Which I kinda already did, but now the image is much more detailed)

[Kaioshin Sama]

I've haven't listened to the whole episode yet (it's gonna take a while), but what is the very first background song that plays? I remember it from all the SD Gundam G Generation games, but I don't know if it's from Wing or what.

Anybody can help out, I'm sure I'm the only one who doesn't know exactly where it's from.

That would be from Wing.

And it's more or less Heero and the Wing Gundam's theme. Each of the characters and their Gundam's essentially has their own theme that plays for them in the early episodes. They're the first five tracks on the Gundam Wing OST.

[Vent Noir]

One thing that didn't get mentioned in the discussion on Wing was the fact that Heero's whole attitude was very different from the typical Gundam "reluctant hero" archetype - and I've heard it said that one of the reasons why Wing was so much more popular than MSG in America was the character of Heero.

I'm not discounting the turnoff factor of the old animation in MSG by any means, but do you think the fact that American audiences liked Heero's attitude a lot better than (especially early) Amuro's was also a factor?

[GN-003 Kyrios]

One thing that didn't get mentioned in the discussion on Wing was the fact that Heero's whole attitude was very different from the typical Gundam "reluctant hero" archetype - and I've heard it said that one of the reasons why Wing was so much more popular than MSG in America was the character of Heero.

I'm not discounting the turnoff factor of the old animation in MSG by any means, but do you think the fact that American audiences liked Heero's attitude a lot better than (especially early) Amuro's was also a factor?

Well look at it this way. Even though Wing was brought to America first if you compare it to other mecha animes Herro is almost to me is like a completely different main character. A good comparison is Amuro. Compare their personallities, Herro is (in the beginning anyway) almost like a robot while Amuro is full of emotions. Personally besides the yaoi and pretty boy pilot thing I think thats one of the other reasons why GW was so popular here in the states.

[L.U.T.A.]

Really nice episode. Its really good to hear you guys are now at 23. I really like the topic of the Gundam Wing covered, as it really is the "porn mag" for most gundam wing fans where the rest of the series could suck you in for more...

[L.U.T.A.]

I thought you guys did Code Geass justice with your review. I'm glad Lelouch died in a Jesus like fashion.

[L.U.T.A.]

For Macross Frontier (T_T), It was honestly beautiful to hear about such a nostalgic series. This whole series with the introduction in december made me go explore the other macross series and feel the same sadness everyone felt when seeing flashback 2012 and minmay sing for the last time (T_T). I really like this "What happen to..." (Macross: Mega-road 1) and you could really compare it to (Code Geass: Lelouch {alive?}) as Code Geass and maybe. But really i loved it... the begining-end. It maybe just my high off of watching all the series in one period but Macross Frontier was just sublime to me. I loved the music montage attack in the end and always will. I will be looking forward to the movie afterward and hopefully (but most likely not) it will have the same affect on the masses like DYRL (T_T).

[L.U.T.A.]

As for those who haven't seen the previous macross series, I sincerely urge you to. It adds so much more of a reward to watch frontier with its constant dips in the past.

As for Trolling, I'm guessing the public views the director as either an artist, showing them a totally different viewpoint of the world, or a c**k-please, just wanna take your money/attention and please you (such as bringing back a certain "orange" guy, because the fans liked him). Not a fan of capitalism...

[L.U.T.A.]

Vent Noir wrote:
One thing that didn't get mentioned in the discussion on Wing was the fact that Heero's whole attitude was very different from the typical Gundam "reluctant hero" archetype - and I've heard it said that one of the reasons why Wing was so much more popular than MSG in America was the character of Heero.

I'm not discounting the turnoff factor of the old animation in MSG by any means, but do you think the fact that American audiences liked Heero's attitude a lot better than (especially early) Amuro's was also a factor?

It really seems that Heero's type of character in the english version was especially appealing, as most badass man-man characters are most appreciated in America. American people wouldn't appreciate the screaming, crying, and emotional Amuro/kira Yamato. Ever seen a character like that in a James Bond character. I know soo many people who like Daniel Craig over Peirce Brosman because he's "not a ovary".

[Rurushu Ranperuji]

"She can arrest me anytime."


Laaaaawl that was great, I think we can all agree.

[Chris]

LUTA: Please do not double post 5 times over the course of a few minutes. If you need to add more to a topic, just edit your original post. Don't do this again.

[hawk of endymion]

While we all have to accept that Lelouch is in fact dead, how much we wish he was not says loads about his character. If he was dislikable, we wouldn't have cared. However, he was, and that makes all the difference.

And at the risk of sounding like sounding corny, sappy, and borderline tacky; he still is alive in CC's heart.

Glad you feel that way. I don't think Lelouch's death takes anything away from Code Geass as a show. Let's face it, Code Geass is duplicating real life sometimes people we really like or care about have to die.

And of course, CC lives on in the CC body pillow.