Some time ago someone posted this image showing the Dolos internal hangars:
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It should give a better idea of how it's MSs are deployed. However I have also read somehwhere that they were also capable of supporting MAs, namely the Bygro which was the most mass produced Zeon MA. In this image of the Dolos from EiS there are two hatches on top of the ship:
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Supposing that's where the MA's would be deployed from (since it seems unlikely that a Bygro can fit in the same hangars meant for MSs and that gate seems to be the only one capable os launching a MA) and considering how much space has already been taken by tthe MSs hangars, how many MAs can the Dolos carry?
Also, I always supposed that the six smaller gates that spread in six different directions on the underside of the Dolos were meant to work as the ones of a Papua class ship, but, is this it's true purpose or were they meant to be catapults for Gattles or did they had any other purpose.
One final question: does the Dolos has any kind of weapon that can aim in front of the ship other than the large machineguns? It's mega particle turrets doesn't seem able to aim in front of the ship.
Various MS Capacity Questions...
various ms capacity question
do the musai kai class and chivvay kai class carrier same capacity of ms as the original version?
Theres nothing official, but the Musai Kai is constantly shown deploying three Hizacks so its capacity would seem to be 3. You can't say its the same as in the OYW since variants there could carry anywhere from 2-6 MS.
As for the Chivvay Kai...no clue. I don't remember a single scene where it is ever depicted deploying MS.
As for the Chivvay Kai...no clue. I don't remember a single scene where it is ever depicted deploying MS.
As Melchior noted, the Musai Kai consistantly is shown deploying teams of three Hizacks, so that's what it's capacity almost certainly is.
As for the Chivvay Kai, IIRC, we only see those once or twice, and we never see them fully deploy their MS team. That said, I'd guess that it's probably in the six-to-eight MS range, like the earlier Tivvay and basic Chivvay had.
As for the Chivvay Kai, IIRC, we only see those once or twice, and we never see them fully deploy their MS team. That said, I'd guess that it's probably in the six-to-eight MS range, like the earlier Tivvay and basic Chivvay had.
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Going back to the Neo Zeon ships...
According to "Gundam Wars III: Gundam Sentinel," it's estimated that the Gwadan class can hold more than thirty mobile suits, and Tomino's Zeta Gundam novels claim that the Gwadan deploys roughly forty Gaza C units when it first meets the Argama. So it seems reasonable to put this in the 30-40 range.
The Gwanban, of course, is considerably smaller. Based on episode 47 of Zeta Gundam, it appears to have at least eight numbered mobile suit companies, but the animation suggests that each "company" is made up of only three Gaza C units. (Or two, in case of the 8th Company that escorts Haman's Quebeley.) This suggests a total capacity of as few as 24 machines, which are stored in a single hangar on the ship's underbelly.
Meanwhile, it's commonly said that the Dogosse Gier carries more than twenty mobile suits. This seems like a gross underestimate, given its huge number of catapult decks, and based on the animation it appears to deploy more than thirty machines over the course of the mission to Axis.
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According to "Gundam Wars III: Gundam Sentinel," it's estimated that the Gwadan class can hold more than thirty mobile suits, and Tomino's Zeta Gundam novels claim that the Gwadan deploys roughly forty Gaza C units when it first meets the Argama. So it seems reasonable to put this in the 30-40 range.
The Gwanban, of course, is considerably smaller. Based on episode 47 of Zeta Gundam, it appears to have at least eight numbered mobile suit companies, but the animation suggests that each "company" is made up of only three Gaza C units. (Or two, in case of the 8th Company that escorts Haman's Quebeley.) This suggests a total capacity of as few as 24 machines, which are stored in a single hangar on the ship's underbelly.
Meanwhile, it's commonly said that the Dogosse Gier carries more than twenty mobile suits. This seems like a gross underestimate, given its huge number of catapult decks, and based on the animation it appears to deploy more than thirty machines over the course of the mission to Axis.
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Looking at it, the Dogosse Gier seems to have a dozen catapults, at least. Given that on their post-OYW ships the Federation Forces seem fairly consistent (apart from on the Alexandria) in having a catapult for every four MS - the Sally Kai, Clop and Ra Cailum all follow this pattern, as does the EF-inspired design of the Argama.
On that basis, it wouldn't be too hard to suggest that the huge Dogosse Gier could carry close to 50 MS, especially taking into account the figures given for the Gwadan.
On that basis, it wouldn't be too hard to suggest that the huge Dogosse Gier could carry close to 50 MS, especially taking into account the figures given for the Gwadan.
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Good points, although it's worth remembering that the Gwadan is about 50% longer than the Dogosse Gier.Dendrobium Stamen wrote:Looking at it, the Dogosse Gier seems to have a dozen catapults, at least. Given that on their post-OYW ships the Federation Forces seem fairly consistent (apart from on the Alexandria) in having a catapult for every four MS - the Sally Kai, Clop and Ra Cailum all follow this pattern, as does the EF-inspired design of the Argama.
On that basis, it wouldn't be too hard to suggest that the huge Dogosse Gier could carry close to 50 MS, especially taking into account the figures given for the Gwadan.
Since the Dogosse Gier's side hangars open both forward and backward, with catapult decks facing in both directions, it's possible they might be set up like the similar hangars on the Zamouth Gar. In this case, a truly miserly estimate might allow five mobile suits for each of these double-ended hangars (as with the Zamouth Gar) and four for each of the forward-facing hangars at the front of the ship. That gives us a total of 36 mobile suits, the bare minimum indicated by the animation and roughly equal to the larger Gwadan. But I think your estimate is probably more realistic.
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I just checked episode 10 of ZZ, when Chara Soon arrives at the Endra. In this episode the Hamma Hamma which is holding a dummy asteroid with one of his subordinates in it. at first it is seen from afar as a white dot in space, however another 8 dots follow him, which later turn out to be Gaza Cs.
At this time, the R-Jarja is still under construction, as seen in episode 11, although it's possible that it arrived between the 2 episodes along with the 2 Gaza Cs and 1 Gaza D that also appear in episode 11.
This should be indication that the Endra has a capacity of at least 9 MS. Not counting previously damaged MS (which might have been taken away by the ship in which Chara Soon got to the Endra), nor MS still under construction (which might have even arrived between episodes).
At this time, the R-Jarja is still under construction, as seen in episode 11, although it's possible that it arrived between the 2 episodes along with the 2 Gaza Cs and 1 Gaza D that also appear in episode 11.
This should be indication that the Endra has a capacity of at least 9 MS. Not counting previously damaged MS (which might have been taken away by the ship in which Chara Soon got to the Endra), nor MS still under construction (which might have even arrived between episodes).
Nah. Ships in Gundam, particularly in the Zeta/ZZ-era, are known for being able to carry around 50% more than their listed values. Mark went into some detail about that, and about what the Endra can carry in this thread from April.
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Well, back to MS capacities, how about the capacity of the Mad Angler?, with and without the Gabro.
Also, since the Gaw's rear hangar is large enough to fit a Komusai, can MS be stored in the back? Obviously, it seems unlikely for a MS to stand straight there, but a few possibilities I thought of were kneeled like the Gundam [G]s in the Medea in 08th team. Another possibility might be using Samson trucks to transport them.
The only possible limitation I find for this might be the max weight capacity of the Gaw.
Also, since the Gaw's rear hangar is large enough to fit a Komusai, can MS be stored in the back? Obviously, it seems unlikely for a MS to stand straight there, but a few possibilities I thought of were kneeled like the Gundam [G]s in the Medea in 08th team. Another possibility might be using Samson trucks to transport them.
The only possible limitation I find for this might be the max weight capacity of the Gaw.