Sorry if this is considered necromancing, but since the question has yet to be answered I couldn't help myself.
I just got the MG version of the Strike Noir and there are two main thrusters built into its back. Two more are in the back skirt armor and there are another two built into its lower shins.
noir striker: how does it fly?
(1) I guess the term should be "necroposting"
(2) If so, it doesn't explain why (i)the Noir Pack allowing sustained flight and (ii)the Strike E drops like a rock without the pack, if the main thrusters are already on the MS itself.
(2) If so, it doesn't explain why (i)the Noir Pack allowing sustained flight and (ii)the Strike E drops like a rock without the pack, if the main thrusters are already on the MS itself.
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i've mentioned this in another thread with a similar discussion already... but the wings of the noir pack, looking at their design, are actually similar to aerodynamic control surfaces that are meant for atmospheric flight. most other packs used by MS in SEED/DESTINY more often than not can fly through sheer brute thrust power, seeing as the packs themselves are quite heavy already. IIRC, the Aile pack even had to be modified in Orb in order for Aile Strike to achieve sustained flight in atmosphere.Oruma wrote:(1) I guess the term should be "necroposting"
(2) If so, it doesn't explain why (i)the Noir Pack allowing sustained flight and (ii)the Strike E drops like a rock without the pack, if the main thrusters are already on the MS itself.
MSes themselves are the least aerodynamic shapes to be forcing them for sustained flight through atmosphere all by themselves. sure in space this is no issue, the thrusters built into them will work just fine and provide propulsion.
this is just a guess on my part, but maybe the strike e has a higher thruster output than the original strike, so that having more aerodynamic wings it doesn't need as much brute thrust force as, say the IWSP, since the wings will provide a greater amount of lift. but otherwise, yeah, an MS will drop not just like a rock, but like a boulder, without a flight pack.
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Another thing to point out is the fact even with it's weapons the Noir Striker isn't adding near the same kind of weight to the Strike E that the IWSP adds to the standard Strike. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Strike E's thrusters were by themselves able to give the MS sustained flight, however, without the Noir it has no way to generate lift without the Wings and so it takes a huge dive. Just a theory.
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Agree with abrahamsen0.abrahamsen0 wrote:If it boils down to it, I would have to say it has enough thrust by itself and the wings help.
Strike E's itself may be capable of very high jump + hover due to upgrades. The Noir pack just allow it to achieve sustained flight due to some lift provided by the wings. Note that the wings may incorporate few maneuvering thrusters in it, which the linear cannons must be deployed to allow the thrusters to work.
Thus, when in combat where high maneuver much needed, of course the linear cannon needs to be deployed, thus simultanouesly 'open' the thrusters of the wings.
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Not on the linear guns... I mean there may be some maneuvering thrusters fitted within the back of the wings, which will only visible/open when the linearguns are deployed out from the wing.abrahamsen0 wrote:Where or who said that there are thruster's on the linear guns.
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I would say your probably right. That would be the only other place thay could be. Sounds reasonable. It's just dumb they didn't have Strike Noir doing aireial fights against other aireial MS in the oav. Then we could really see how good the Noir Pack is.exxecutor000 wrote:Just my thought ... of course Strike Noir capable of flying without deploying it.exxecutor000 wrote:Thus, when in combat where high maneuver much needed, of course the linear cannon needs to be deployed, thus simultanouesly 'open' the thrusters of the wings.
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... at least we hope to see some aerial 'dogfight' not unlike Freedom/Justice versus the Druggies.Trioabrahamsen0 wrote:It's just dumb they didn't have Strike Noir doing aireial fights against other aireial MS in the oav. Then we could really see how good the Noir Pack is.
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It's starting to bother me trying to figure out how Noir flies. There's no hard evidence on how it can fly or whether it can keep up with other flight units. I bought the MG Strike Noir but after seeing such a short oav and not enough performance scenes on the Noir flying and stuff. It makes me wonder why I bought it. Don't get me wrong the Strike Noir is awesome but every other flight MS uses the thruster's on itself and on the pack which makes me wonder about the Noir pack. I understand the Strike E Noir has better energy and more thrust but I still don't see that because if that were the case why would other MS need a flight pack when engineers can just put more thrust and power on a suit. This just bother's me when the SNoir is such a good design and I spent almost $60 bucks on it. Any body intrested in trying to dig up more info or has anyone found anything cannon on this subject?
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As far as the animation in Stargazer has shown, yeah we've not seen much footage of the Noir doing crazy-G maneuvers a-la-dogfight. But the way I think of it, the Noir's wings provide lift in an atmospheric environment. Thrusters' not the only things you need to fly in an atmosphere, you also need control surfaces that provide that much needed lift. Otherwise passenger jets like the B747 would've have ten additional engines slapped onto it
Kidding aside, I do think that's what those long wings are for. That's my take on it anyways... Another thing I wanna point out, which might answer the "Does the Strike E have more thrust than the regular Strike and enough for flight?" question, remember that scene in the 3rd episode where the Noir and Stargazer were going at it and they were maneuvering in an area of I think was an unfinished portion of the DSSD station? Well the Stargazer was doing such a good job of dodging the Noir's attacks on thruster power alone (and a rookie pilot at the helm at that) while Sven had to utilize the Noir's grappling anchors in order to dodge the Stargazer's shots. I could be wrong in my assessment, but it would look like the Noir might have less maneuverability in space because it relies solely on it's single back thruster. Just my 2 cents though.
Kidding aside, I do think that's what those long wings are for. That's my take on it anyways... Another thing I wanna point out, which might answer the "Does the Strike E have more thrust than the regular Strike and enough for flight?" question, remember that scene in the 3rd episode where the Noir and Stargazer were going at it and they were maneuvering in an area of I think was an unfinished portion of the DSSD station? Well the Stargazer was doing such a good job of dodging the Noir's attacks on thruster power alone (and a rookie pilot at the helm at that) while Sven had to utilize the Noir's grappling anchors in order to dodge the Stargazer's shots. I could be wrong in my assessment, but it would look like the Noir might have less maneuverability in space because it relies solely on it's single back thruster. Just my 2 cents though.
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From that scene, yeah, I'm agree that Strike Noir may not posses 'high maneuver' ability. But then, Strike Noir is intended for close to melee combat, 100% attack purpose. Thus, at that range, dodging may not be the priority. First priority is to attack (defence and additional ranged firepower are provided by Blu Duel and Verde Buster, the teammates). This comply with lack of shield with this MS.valkyriepilot wrote:"Does the Strike E have more thrust than the regular Strike and enough for flight?" question, remember that scene in the 3rd episode where the Noir and Stargazer were going at it and they were maneuvering in an area of I think was an unfinished portion of the DSSD station? Well the Stargazer was doing such a good job of dodging the Noir's attacks on thruster power alone (and a rookie pilot at the helm at that) while Sven had to utilize the Noir's grappling anchors in order to dodge the Stargazer's shots. I could be wrong in my assessment, but it would look like the Noir might have less maneuverability in space because it relies solely on it's single back thruster. Just my 2 cents though.
I can conclude that the sustained flight ability provided by the Noir pack is mainly for travel from base to battlefield (and gliding too), and not really intended for aerial fight.
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