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I don’t know if this particular topic has ever been discussed, but it’s something that’s crossed my mind recently. What if there were Dagger versions of the Aegis and Blitz? For the sake of argument, how about if we call them Aegis Dagger and Blitz Dagger, and I’ve wondered if such units were constructed, what features from the originals would they retain?

Concerning “Blitz Dagger”, it’d more than likely use the Mirage Colloid system and would’ve been used as a stealth mobile suit, maybe for special commando teams. As for the “Aegis Dagger”, the only I could really say that if such a unit existed that a limited number would have been produced and reserved for ace pilots/commanders.

This is just something I’ve been wondering about, so if anyone has an opinion on this, please add anything to this.

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N Dagger N
The closest thing to a "Blitz Dagger" there is. So that one already exists and does indeed use the Mirage Colloid system.
I don't really see any need for a Dagger version of the Aegis though. Any situations it could be made for can be filled by other existing mobile suits/armors.

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Ya, the N Dagger N is the Dagger version of Blitz, if I remember correctly.

I would think that an Aegis Dagger could have many applications depending on the role it would play. Would it be a command MS or a first-strike MS or an interceptor MS? I'm sure there are others, I just can't think of them at the moment.


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The Aegis serves no point other being a "lookie here I'm the lead man's suit, shoot me" and having a transformation system.


The heavy payout of bombs and missles on the Raider Full Spec, made from the same 300 fame serves more of a purpose.


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Actually the idea of a interceptor unit would be a good idea, give it huge thrusters and rapid fire beam cannons instead of that big cannon the original had, also you could redesign it to be a kind of transformable suit carrier, build on some kind of system that woud allow other suits to hang onto it and allow them to conserve fuel, another idea would be for it to be a kind of AWACS unit, give it better sensor and targeting systems, I think that the concept itself has many applications, though they would probably be very expensive.

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I'm thinking that Aegis Dagger would be very similar to the Re-GZ... unable to transform, but able to be equipped with an optional backpack mounting the beam cannon, additional thrusters, and possibly grappling claws for the patented "grab onto the guy and THEN fire the big gun" manuver... The base unit itself would be little more than a standard Dagger, but the the backpack unit would turn it into a high-performance commander/interceptor suit.

Its advantage over the Raider Full Spec would be increased performance against PS-equipped units... not that a grunt should ordinarily be going against units with PS armor anyway, but...

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I personally feel that the Aegis is too speciallized to be considered for mass-production. The complicated parts and construction style doesnt seem fitting for a mobile suit, and if it had the Re-GZ style add-ons it'd just suffer the same fate as being too costly to MP.

However, I could see the Aegis MA mode being mass-produced somehow. Remove all of the transformation and docking systems and build the clawlike, high speed MA that backs a huge punch.

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However, I could see the Aegis MA mode being mass-produced somehow. Remove all of the transformation and docking systems and build the clawlike, high speed MA that backs a huge punch.


Actually,considering this quote and other posters' comments that it could be an interceptor unit,you guys should check out the Gaplant Kai from Zeta-MSV.It cannot transform,but is a mass-production version of the Gaplant intended for interception purposes.


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Aegis was always meant to be a command unit i think...EiS profile on it says that it was designed to command and control the others...now control...what did they mean by that...

it may not be there at all though...its been years since i played it

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The Aegis was designed to be the commanding unit, available to oversee the others in battle and step in to any role if any of the Gundams are lost. In a way, its purpose is similar to the Strike, only without the need for specific Striker role packs since all of the multi-purpose stuff had already been integrated onto the Aegis itself.

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OMNI probably didnt see the use for an MP aegis since an ms commander in a less specialized suit could do as well a job overseeing the battle. probably why there were so many MP strike daggers, dagger Ls, and windams, and so few special daggers like the long, buster, n, gunbarrel and calamity, forbidden, etc units. the aegis role as a heavy hitter and melee specialist could easily be filled by the long dagger or sword calamity and obviously the raider full spec seems more flight capable as well as having a higher payload.

oh well at least we know the aegis lived on as the saviour, too bad it didnt last as long or was as effective as the aegis, but thats another topic altogether

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Isn't there a Rosso Aegis and a Nero Blitz in Gundam SEED Delta Astray? Are those mass produced or new variants like the Strike Noir and company?

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artmaster079 wrote:
Isn't there a Rosso Aegis and a Nero Blitz in Gundam SEED Delta Astray? Are those mass produced or new variants like the Strike Noir and company?
Like Noir and company, they are one shot upgrade units. To my knowledge, only one of each exists.

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Indeed, all five (Noir/Blu/Verde/Rosso/Nero) are singular, unique units.

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rosso and nero, those are new to me. anyone have pics of them? ahh the venerable gat-series lives on. i just wish that the noir, bleu, and verde didnt die such craptastic deaths.

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MAHQ has pictures for them you know. But here are scans I made from my copy of Stargazer Complete Guide, where the duo got profiled:

Nero Blitz
Rosso Aegis

And their...smashing...debut:
Delta Astray #7 Page 31
Delta Astray #7 Page 32

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thanks for the pics, the nero hmmm, its actually kinda frightening, but it looks backheavy. the rosso though, impressive. show that suit to athrun he might just trade in the infinite justice for it.

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Well, the huge of metal on Nero's back *is* a huge claw that can crush Phase-Shift and somehow catch and redirect beam projectiles.

Buuut, to get back on topic. I'll also agree that an Aegis Dagger is pretty redundant, although it'd probably look pretty neat.

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Seems like Nero Blitz has lost all of it's stealthy-ness :(

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...How do you figure? Its equipped with Mirage Colloid, and makes constant use of it in all of its appearances so far.

Crushing enemy MS to death while invisible also just utterly freaking wins, in addition. XD

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