At gundam.info I noticied a couple of articles about some units supposedly belonging to Mars' Zeon (Zeon-Mars as per the images):
-AMX-009G & AMX-011G (In both original/regular colors and desert/ground colors):
http://hobby.dengeki.com/aoz/illust/reboot02-a/
-The Sand Angler (and as a bonus, images of the AOZ versions of the Mad Angler/Mud Angler and the Gallop):
http://hobby.dengeki.com/aoz/illust/reboot02-b/
Both the AMX-009G and AMX-011G borrow the backpack thrusters of the MS-09G, and the AMX-009G furtheradds the shoulder thrusters of the MS-09H. In both cases the new thrusters come at the expense of some of the ones from original designs'. Weapon wise, the Zaku III G-Type uses a beam gatling gun, which might now be the earliest sighting of such weapon. I believe that perhaps it was inspired by the manual of the HGUC Dra-C, which shows that a Zaku F2 can borrow the handheld version of the MS-21C's gatling gun:
http://dalong.net/review/hg/h133/p/h133_m0002.JPG
On the other hand, the Dom III borrows weapons from a OYW Dom/Rick Dom, namely the beam bazooka and heat saber. Leaving aside the repeated desire of recent depictions of the Dreissen to replace its trademark beam lancer/beam tomahawk for an older heat saber, I find this choice of using a beam bazooka odd, not only in contrast to the AMX-011G's weapon, but also considering that the AMX-009G is already using parts from a MS-09H, which had a more modern beam cannon, the later which is quite similar to the weapon supposedly used by the Prototype Dreissen:
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... lScan1.jpg
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/zz/lin ... cannon.jpg
Taking this into consideration, I'm still suspicious about the origins of the MS-09H, and I'm more inclined to dig that it was also an Axis/Neo Zeon design that was somehow sent to Rommel's forces. After all, the MS-09H is essentially a refined MS-09G, essentially the ground equivalent to the MS-14J, which is a refined Gelgoog (MS-14A most likely), both units seem to have a focus on higher mobility than their predecessor and both units have a redesigned version of their main handheld weapon. Their color scheme (mainly red with black) might also be hinting such relationship, as in the case of the MS-14JG & MS-17B or between the MS-09G and MS-14D, as I have previously suggested.
In a more personal note, I always liked to consider the MS-09G Dwadge a Dom II, much given its emphasis on ground combat and it being the equivalent to its space counterpart, the Rick Dom II, which until recently (before the YMS-09R2) fulfilled a similar role. Not to mention that reclassifying the MS-09G as Dom II would allow us to simply call the MS-10 Dwadge (from my POV, avoiding an unnecessary confusion).
Moving on, the Sand Angler is a ground (or perhaps aerial?) battleship with hovering capabilities, with hull based on (or perhaps even somehow taken from?) a Mad Angler (Mud Angler in the images) submarine. The ship borrows some ideas from the Rewloola, namely the form of the bridge and surrounding anti-air defenses, and most likely also from the Gallop, namely the hovering concept and the main turret design. An interesting detail is that given the timeline, it would seem that the hovering system of this ship might have served as the inspiration for the Motorad fleet ships of the Zanscare Empire about 60 years.
On thing that bothers me is that the description notes seems to say someting about 20 MS and 1 MA (perhaps an Adzam given the one seen on the size reference picture?) for the Sand Angler, but it would seem that the Mad Angler is left a bit short on that area with just 5 MS and 1 MA, which only seems to be the largest amount confirmed on-screen at one time.
Any further info on these units would be deeply appreciated!
AOZ Reboot: Mars Zeon AMX-009G, AMX-011G and Sand Angler
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Re: AOZ Reboot: Mars Zeon AMX-009G, AMX-011G and Sand Angler
The Zaku III's Gatling is actually the mega Gatling from Quess' Jagd Doga; the Dra-C Gatling is what the Unicorn version wields, which I think may have descended from the Gatling that ended up in the Unicorn's hands.
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Re: AOZ Reboot: Mars Zeon AMX-009G, AMX-011G and Sand Angler
The reference to the HGUC Dra-C manual was merely to point the existence of a handheld gatling gun that can be used by the original MS-06 series. I should point out that the Dra-C's gatling gun seems to be a ballistic weapon, not a beam weapon, which is why the MS-06F2 can use it. As a side note, the MS-21D1 would seem to confirm that some Dra-C units from 0083 had regular right arm manipulator a for handling handheld weapons.
As for the order of development, the beam gatling gun from Gundam UC, which was meant to be used by the Kshatriya and Geara Zulu, seems to be a simplified version of Quess' Jagd Doga weapon. As for the ballistic gatling gun from the Dra-C, I think it could have existed since the OYW, specially considering that in recent years we have seen more and more newly added OYW units equipped with gatling guns, such as the MS-06JK, MS-06K (anti-air type) and MS-07G-2.
As for the order of development, the beam gatling gun from Gundam UC, which was meant to be used by the Kshatriya and Geara Zulu, seems to be a simplified version of Quess' Jagd Doga weapon. As for the ballistic gatling gun from the Dra-C, I think it could have existed since the OYW, specially considering that in recent years we have seen more and more newly added OYW units equipped with gatling guns, such as the MS-06JK, MS-06K (anti-air type) and MS-07G-2.
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Re: AOZ Reboot: Mars Zeon AMX-009G, AMX-011G and Sand Angler
Ooh...they made Mad Angler look less like MA (or to be frank, a kaiju) and more of ship.
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Re: AOZ Reboot: Mars Zeon AMX-009G, AMX-011G and Sand Angler
Personally, I also like the AOZ version of the original Zanzibar (depicted at the bottom of the image):
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/YFX-600 ... a.jpg.html
Between MS Igloo and AOZ, we now have modern versions of most Zeon ships.
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/YFX-600 ... a.jpg.html
Between MS Igloo and AOZ, we now have modern versions of most Zeon ships.
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Re: AOZ Reboot: Mars Zeon AMX-009G, AMX-011G and Sand Angler
It really boggles the mind how they even got a Mad Angler to Mar's in the first place or why they would want to go through all that effort of getting it there.
Also, yes I really do love the AoZ Zanzibar.
Also, yes I really do love the AoZ Zanzibar.
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Re: AOZ Reboot: Mars Zeon AMX-009G, AMX-011G and Sand Angler
I think it must be easier to build a Mad Angler from scratch rather than going through the logistical ordeal of disassembling it and shipping it to space, specially under the desperate circumstances the Zeon ground forces faced by the end of the OYW.
Perhaps a new ship was build in space and was meant to be shipped to Earth, but ultimately the worsening war situation didn't allow it to be sent to Earth. That would still raise the question of why would it be sent to Mars instead. Maybe the Axis forces were in contact with Mars and began producing MS and ships for use on Earth?
Back to the Zakus and Doms, I would have liked to see Doms equipped with gatling guns (instead of Zaku machine guns), available as an alternative to their giant bazookas, therefore emphasizing their "heavy MS" classification by being capable of using such larger/heavier weapons while moving around, something that sometimes the Zaku II is depicted as not being capable of (in MS Igloo it would seem that a Zaku needs to come to a full stop before firing its Zaku Bazooka on the ground).
By extension, the Dom III/Dreissen could have used a beam gatling gun and/or the Sinanju's bazooka, while in contrast the Zaku III could have used a Geara Doga's beam machine gun and/or the single-use Sturm Faust from the Geara Zulu.
Perhaps a new ship was build in space and was meant to be shipped to Earth, but ultimately the worsening war situation didn't allow it to be sent to Earth. That would still raise the question of why would it be sent to Mars instead. Maybe the Axis forces were in contact with Mars and began producing MS and ships for use on Earth?
Back to the Zakus and Doms, I would have liked to see Doms equipped with gatling guns (instead of Zaku machine guns), available as an alternative to their giant bazookas, therefore emphasizing their "heavy MS" classification by being capable of using such larger/heavier weapons while moving around, something that sometimes the Zaku II is depicted as not being capable of (in MS Igloo it would seem that a Zaku needs to come to a full stop before firing its Zaku Bazooka on the ground).
By extension, the Dom III/Dreissen could have used a beam gatling gun and/or the Sinanju's bazooka, while in contrast the Zaku III could have used a Geara Doga's beam machine gun and/or the single-use Sturm Faust from the Geara Zulu.