So, imagine a world not such a distant future in which "War ... War has changed." On the battlefield ruled by great and mighty war machines called "objects" almost invulnerable and deadly against which virtually powerless traditional troops.
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What were these "steel monsters" can be understood as an example, "Baby Magnum"
http://heavyobject.net/core_sys/images/ ... 1444992340
http://heavyobject.net/core_sys/images/ ... 1444992340
http://heavyobject.net/core_sys/images/ ... 1444992340
Height - the full 75 meters, the main body 50
Weight - 200 000 tonnes
Speed - about 530 km / h
Protection - composite armor as thick as 10 meters (can withstand getting tactical nuclear weapons)
Power Source - JP EVE MHD reactor (whatever that means), capacity unknown
System of movement - an electromagnetic cushion for land/floats for water
Armament - 7 main fire guns and about 100 auxiliary guns
Design features - breech designed in the form of a revolving drum that allows you to switch to shooting lasers / rail gun / plasma as needed
Classification - overall and multi-purpose
Type of production - a combat unit in the single copy
Pilot - Melinda Brantini
Application - Legitimate Kingdom
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Such is the "God of War", one of many that are fighting each other in matches across the globe. Army gone, and now the fate of nations is decided of their victories and defeats ...
However, I wonder just how plausible, or rather, is realizable as amended on certain assumptions about the technologies of the future, proposed by the author of the work, the idea of a "Clean War" with "Object"?
EDIT: link removed.
~ShadowCell
HEAVY OBJECT - technical side
Re: HEAVY OBJECT - technical side
It's a bloody Technodrome.
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Re: HEAVY OBJECT - technical side
please do not post scanlation links. thank you.
Re: HEAVY OBJECT - technical side
A Technodrome with all the 80s cartoon goofiness replaced by GRIMDARK.Wingnut wrote:It's a bloody Technodrome.
Sakuya: "Whatever. Stop lying and give up your schemes, now."
Yukari: (Which lies and schemes are she talking about? It's hard to keep track of them all...)
-Touhou 07.5 ~ Immaterial and Missing Power
Yukari: (Which lies and schemes are she talking about? It's hard to keep track of them all...)
-Touhou 07.5 ~ Immaterial and Missing Power
Re: HEAVY OBJECT - technical side
alternatively, Ball from the Gundam Series. with lots of Cannons.AmuroNT1 wrote:A Technodrome with all the 80s cartoon goofiness replaced by GRIMDARK.Wingnut wrote:It's a bloody Technodrome.
could also be the Saiyan race's ball ships.
the spider Object is similar to a boss from Strikers 1999.
MOOK: ITS A YURI FANBOY!
Re: HEAVY OBJECT - technical side
I presume that the 'MHD Reactor' refers to a fusion reactor with an MHD system for converting the hot ionized gasses (aka plasma) produced by the reactor into electricity.
It should be noted that the Minovsky ultracompact reactors used in UC Gundam are also fusion reactors coupled to an MHD system.
Frankly, I find the Technodrome ugly (not the least because of that eye), but the Baby Magnum is moe~.
It should be noted that the Minovsky ultracompact reactors used in UC Gundam are also fusion reactors coupled to an MHD system.
Frankly, I find the Technodrome ugly (not the least because of that eye), but the Baby Magnum is moe~.
Re: HEAVY OBJECT - technical side
That is, in fact, we are talking about a plasma reactor?Ryujin wrote:I presume that the 'MHD Reactor' refers to a fusion reactor with an MHD system for converting the hot ionized gasses (aka plasma) produced by the reactor into electricity.
It should be noted that the Minovsky ultracompact reactors used in UC Gundam are also fusion reactors coupled to an MHD system.
Frankly, I find the Technodrome ugly (not the least because of that eye), but the Baby Magnum is moe~.
What about the term "low stability plasma" guns? And how do you think, given the size and expected power of the main fire, on "Object" it is better to put "railgun" or "coilgun"?
And one more thing - "static electricity flow" is not electromagnetic suspension monorail trains?
Re: HEAVY OBJECT - technical side
Standard Specification of Objects and Technology Advancement of the World:)
Object the giant weapons - Just the main body of these new weapons measured at over 50 meters and the guns added even more to their size. When a certain island nation presented the first of those weapons, the rest of the world feared it and an allied force from 14 other countries carried out a combined surprise attack on the prototype Object…and the Object repelled them all. At the end of the battle, a nuclear strike was carried out over the Pacific Ocean, but the scene of the Object continuing to sink the allied fleet even as half of it melted like ice under the hot sun was in every history textbook.
Composite Multi-Role Object - however, the more common term used was "First Generation Object". It was made to perform in all environments and weather conditions. If some parts were switched out, it could even move freely over the ocean. This allowed it to fire different types and varieties of weapons to match the situation. When put that way, it sounded quite convenient and powerful.
General established facts on Objects - In the mock battle, it took out 1500 of fighter`s, after all, Objects use anti-air lasers and no match for the speed of light. ... Those things are 50 meter monsters that can still move around after you nuke them. ... That monster is basically a giant reactor with the thick walls of a nuclear shelter around it! ... The main bodies of those giant machines alone are over 50 meters and the length of the main cannon brings that total even higher. They weigh over 200,000 tons. Those monsters have thick nuclear shelter-level armor, their JPlevelMHD reactors have much greater outputs than nuclear reactors, and that great energy is used to fully power over 100 weapons. ... Be it the army, the navy, or the air force, no military force can stand up to them, so those giant weapons have become known as synonymous with war. ... While they had over 100 weapons, those weapons were powered by a high output reactor and the weapons were primarily along the lines of laser beams, low-stability plasma cannons, railguns, and coilguns. No one bothered putting surface-to-air missiles on them. ... Railguns: a single shot from one of those could bend an Aegis ship in two. ... The five kilometers to the horizon became an absolute barrier.
The various types of Objects - When the first Objects had started appearing on the battlefield, a composite Object that could fight the same in any battlefield in the world was a king of beasts with no natural enemy. However, when multiple Objects started popping up in the various battlefields across the globe, the situation had changed. A composite model that could be freely used anywhere had no real weaknesses. However, this also meant that it had no real strengths. When the situation had changed from an Object crushing normal weapons to an Object fighting an Object, the question of how to make one's own Object stand above the rest came to the forefront. One suggested answer to that question was to create an Object that had definite strengths even if that would destroy the even balance of its functionality. Afterwards, that Object would have its activities kept to the environment it excelled in, giving it an advantage over other Objects when it fought.
The design and shape of Object (as a Multi-Role Object and the Object in the quote is Baby Magnum) - Surrounding the reactor at its center was a thick wall like one for a nuclear shelter. The wall created a sphere-like form. Its undercarriage was in a reverse Y-shape and it did not walk or roll on wheels like a normal vehicle. Instead, it used static electricity to float just a bit off the ground. The theory behind it was completely different, but its movements made it look a bit like the ground beneath it was moving to slide it along. Of course, merely covering the ground with static electricity was not enough to make such a large construction float. A spray that acted as a repellent to the electrified Object was sprayed on the ground as it advanced. The power of static electricity created a small gap between the Object and the ground and the air in that gap was heated up by repeatedly firing a laser that was reflected and concentrated for propulsion. This heating caused the air to explosively expand which provided propulsion. It was the same theory used in the laser launch pads for shuttles. Its main pieces of military equipment were the 7 arms stretching from the back of the sphere. It also had about 100 other gun batteries covering the surface of the sphere. It looked less like an optimized weapon and more like a strange weapon that had every piece of weaponry its creator could think of stuck on. ... The Object's cockpit (and emergency escape hatch) was located on the upper back part of the main spherical body. No one wanted to think about it, but the piloting Elite would be ejected in an upwards diagonal trajectory from the back in case of an emergency. Currently, dozens of barriers were opened to create a route to the center of the sphere and the light from the cockpit's monitors could be seen shining deep within like it was the opening to a tunnel. The tunnel was not simply a path to the cockpit. It also branched off to connect to various other places such as the maintenance room for the reactor, the thick double-layer door where additional fuel was added, or the room to exchange the attached box in which exhaust gases were compressed and sealed. It was reminiscent of a subway tunnel made of barriers and switching rails. ... The point of the many thin sheets was to disperse and distribute an impact rather than provide the defensive power of a thick wall. The theory was similar to that of a simple bulletproof vest, but it used so many steel sheets that it could even hold back the shockwave of a nuclear strike.
The cockpit of Composite Multi-Role Object - In the center of its sphere-shaped main body was the Object's cockpit. To match the shape of the Object, the cockpit itself formed a sphere with a diameter of 2 meters. The seat was ergonomically streamlined, its shape had been calculated out by a computer to limit fatigue as much as possible, and it even had a massage functionality to avoid things such as bedsores. The cockpit in the center of the Object had no windows or windshields with which to see outside with the naked eye. Her vision out was done solely through monitors working in unison with cameras and sensors. The monitors were curved to cleanly attach to the inside of the sphere and the Elite would constantly be viewing over 300 windows accurately but quickly. It did not have just one means of control. The princess used her index finger to lightly tap a device she was wearing that looked like sharp athletic sunglasses. It was an example of an input device that used infrared rays to read the movements of her eyes, but she also had the more well-known fighter craft-type of control column and a large number of keyboard-like buttons. Any one of the control systems could function as the main system and any one could function as the subsystem. With multiple main systems and countless derivations given the possible combinations of subsystems, it seemed as if just learning how to use it would be enough to confuse you. ... To prevent hacking, the Object normally cut off all signals from the outside except for a few communications devices independent from the rest of the system, but the barrier walls through the long tunnel-like passageway leading from the cockpit to the outside were all open for maintenance purposes.
The energy reactor of Objects - It produces enough energy to have energy to spare while firing over 100 weapons that would not receive sufficient energy from a standard nuclear-powered aircraft carrier.
The power of seven main cannons of Baby Magnum or any First-Gen Object - low-stability plasma cannons - A special gas was loaded into the barrel and a massive amount of electricity was used to create manmade plasma. This was then fired at the target. Its maximum range was around 10 kilometers, but it could only reliably shoot through an enemy object at a range of about 3 or 4 kilometers. It was one of the Baby Magnum's most powerful weapons. Instead of focusing the 7 cannons on a single point, the fire was spread out evenly across the mountain
The self-destruction device of Objects - The Object was a giant mass of military secrets, so there had to be a means of ensuring it did not fall into enemy hands. If its sensors detected that it could no longer function even if it had not taken serious damage, the Object would seal the special gas for its low-stability plasma cannons in the space between the armor and the reactor and then detonate it.
Elites, the pilots of Objects - The suit was highly water resistant so it could be worn while working underwater and it would even stop blood from flowing to pilot lower body to preserve the functionality of her brain just like air force suits did. ... When piloting the Object, weak infrared rays were used to allow even the movements of her eyes to act as an input device. Long exposure to that laser had lightened the original color of pilot eyes. ... Also, a human only became a terminal that controlled an Object after they had abilities developed that easily overcame those of your standard genius by having their nature artificially honed, refined, and improved by chemical and electrical means to match an individual Object. Once an Elite was developed so utterly, their fate was linked with that of their Object. ... Elites could only pilot the Object developed for them or an Object further developed from the one that used the same tree diagram.
How to become an Elite - Well, it's true there is an aspect to it that they are naturally born with, but the Elites are a military project to thoroughly refine natural talent using even things like electric stimuli and suggestions.
How tough are the Elites - When the treads are used, it can momentarily exceed 12 Gs. Well, that is enough for any normal person to certainly lose consciousness/
The way Elites control their Objects - However, this talent was not some strange psychic power. What was needed was an exceedingly high proficiency in skills anyone could develop such as memory, calculation ability, multitasking, and situational awareness. ... As such, just managing the targeting data required being able to process hundreds of pieces of data at once. The weapons also had secondary target functionality (multiple targets could be locked onto and the sights could be switched between them at any time), so using an Object's abilities to their fullest required following 300 or 400 enemies at once. And that was only for controlling the weaponry. ... Some armies had tried dividing the control among a large crew and some companies had used an AI to simplify the work required. However, using a large crew created a time lag for communication between parts of the Object which led to defeat from an Object that was piloted by a single Elite who could make decisions instantly. When an AI was used, the AI would be unable to respond to any situation unfamiliar to it and therefore was unable to keep up with the flexible strategies of an Elite.
The production of an Object - that would take three or four years to develop from scratch, so it seems there had already been a plan underway to switch over to this new one.
The cost to create an Object - an Object cost at least 5 billion dollars
That's a mechanical monster:)
Thank`s to "Revenger" from the forum "SpaceBattle"
Object the giant weapons - Just the main body of these new weapons measured at over 50 meters and the guns added even more to their size. When a certain island nation presented the first of those weapons, the rest of the world feared it and an allied force from 14 other countries carried out a combined surprise attack on the prototype Object…and the Object repelled them all. At the end of the battle, a nuclear strike was carried out over the Pacific Ocean, but the scene of the Object continuing to sink the allied fleet even as half of it melted like ice under the hot sun was in every history textbook.
Composite Multi-Role Object - however, the more common term used was "First Generation Object". It was made to perform in all environments and weather conditions. If some parts were switched out, it could even move freely over the ocean. This allowed it to fire different types and varieties of weapons to match the situation. When put that way, it sounded quite convenient and powerful.
General established facts on Objects - In the mock battle, it took out 1500 of fighter`s, after all, Objects use anti-air lasers and no match for the speed of light. ... Those things are 50 meter monsters that can still move around after you nuke them. ... That monster is basically a giant reactor with the thick walls of a nuclear shelter around it! ... The main bodies of those giant machines alone are over 50 meters and the length of the main cannon brings that total even higher. They weigh over 200,000 tons. Those monsters have thick nuclear shelter-level armor, their JPlevelMHD reactors have much greater outputs than nuclear reactors, and that great energy is used to fully power over 100 weapons. ... Be it the army, the navy, or the air force, no military force can stand up to them, so those giant weapons have become known as synonymous with war. ... While they had over 100 weapons, those weapons were powered by a high output reactor and the weapons were primarily along the lines of laser beams, low-stability plasma cannons, railguns, and coilguns. No one bothered putting surface-to-air missiles on them. ... Railguns: a single shot from one of those could bend an Aegis ship in two. ... The five kilometers to the horizon became an absolute barrier.
The various types of Objects - When the first Objects had started appearing on the battlefield, a composite Object that could fight the same in any battlefield in the world was a king of beasts with no natural enemy. However, when multiple Objects started popping up in the various battlefields across the globe, the situation had changed. A composite model that could be freely used anywhere had no real weaknesses. However, this also meant that it had no real strengths. When the situation had changed from an Object crushing normal weapons to an Object fighting an Object, the question of how to make one's own Object stand above the rest came to the forefront. One suggested answer to that question was to create an Object that had definite strengths even if that would destroy the even balance of its functionality. Afterwards, that Object would have its activities kept to the environment it excelled in, giving it an advantage over other Objects when it fought.
The design and shape of Object (as a Multi-Role Object and the Object in the quote is Baby Magnum) - Surrounding the reactor at its center was a thick wall like one for a nuclear shelter. The wall created a sphere-like form. Its undercarriage was in a reverse Y-shape and it did not walk or roll on wheels like a normal vehicle. Instead, it used static electricity to float just a bit off the ground. The theory behind it was completely different, but its movements made it look a bit like the ground beneath it was moving to slide it along. Of course, merely covering the ground with static electricity was not enough to make such a large construction float. A spray that acted as a repellent to the electrified Object was sprayed on the ground as it advanced. The power of static electricity created a small gap between the Object and the ground and the air in that gap was heated up by repeatedly firing a laser that was reflected and concentrated for propulsion. This heating caused the air to explosively expand which provided propulsion. It was the same theory used in the laser launch pads for shuttles. Its main pieces of military equipment were the 7 arms stretching from the back of the sphere. It also had about 100 other gun batteries covering the surface of the sphere. It looked less like an optimized weapon and more like a strange weapon that had every piece of weaponry its creator could think of stuck on. ... The Object's cockpit (and emergency escape hatch) was located on the upper back part of the main spherical body. No one wanted to think about it, but the piloting Elite would be ejected in an upwards diagonal trajectory from the back in case of an emergency. Currently, dozens of barriers were opened to create a route to the center of the sphere and the light from the cockpit's monitors could be seen shining deep within like it was the opening to a tunnel. The tunnel was not simply a path to the cockpit. It also branched off to connect to various other places such as the maintenance room for the reactor, the thick double-layer door where additional fuel was added, or the room to exchange the attached box in which exhaust gases were compressed and sealed. It was reminiscent of a subway tunnel made of barriers and switching rails. ... The point of the many thin sheets was to disperse and distribute an impact rather than provide the defensive power of a thick wall. The theory was similar to that of a simple bulletproof vest, but it used so many steel sheets that it could even hold back the shockwave of a nuclear strike.
The cockpit of Composite Multi-Role Object - In the center of its sphere-shaped main body was the Object's cockpit. To match the shape of the Object, the cockpit itself formed a sphere with a diameter of 2 meters. The seat was ergonomically streamlined, its shape had been calculated out by a computer to limit fatigue as much as possible, and it even had a massage functionality to avoid things such as bedsores. The cockpit in the center of the Object had no windows or windshields with which to see outside with the naked eye. Her vision out was done solely through monitors working in unison with cameras and sensors. The monitors were curved to cleanly attach to the inside of the sphere and the Elite would constantly be viewing over 300 windows accurately but quickly. It did not have just one means of control. The princess used her index finger to lightly tap a device she was wearing that looked like sharp athletic sunglasses. It was an example of an input device that used infrared rays to read the movements of her eyes, but she also had the more well-known fighter craft-type of control column and a large number of keyboard-like buttons. Any one of the control systems could function as the main system and any one could function as the subsystem. With multiple main systems and countless derivations given the possible combinations of subsystems, it seemed as if just learning how to use it would be enough to confuse you. ... To prevent hacking, the Object normally cut off all signals from the outside except for a few communications devices independent from the rest of the system, but the barrier walls through the long tunnel-like passageway leading from the cockpit to the outside were all open for maintenance purposes.
The energy reactor of Objects - It produces enough energy to have energy to spare while firing over 100 weapons that would not receive sufficient energy from a standard nuclear-powered aircraft carrier.
The power of seven main cannons of Baby Magnum or any First-Gen Object - low-stability plasma cannons - A special gas was loaded into the barrel and a massive amount of electricity was used to create manmade plasma. This was then fired at the target. Its maximum range was around 10 kilometers, but it could only reliably shoot through an enemy object at a range of about 3 or 4 kilometers. It was one of the Baby Magnum's most powerful weapons. Instead of focusing the 7 cannons on a single point, the fire was spread out evenly across the mountain
The self-destruction device of Objects - The Object was a giant mass of military secrets, so there had to be a means of ensuring it did not fall into enemy hands. If its sensors detected that it could no longer function even if it had not taken serious damage, the Object would seal the special gas for its low-stability plasma cannons in the space between the armor and the reactor and then detonate it.
Elites, the pilots of Objects - The suit was highly water resistant so it could be worn while working underwater and it would even stop blood from flowing to pilot lower body to preserve the functionality of her brain just like air force suits did. ... When piloting the Object, weak infrared rays were used to allow even the movements of her eyes to act as an input device. Long exposure to that laser had lightened the original color of pilot eyes. ... Also, a human only became a terminal that controlled an Object after they had abilities developed that easily overcame those of your standard genius by having their nature artificially honed, refined, and improved by chemical and electrical means to match an individual Object. Once an Elite was developed so utterly, their fate was linked with that of their Object. ... Elites could only pilot the Object developed for them or an Object further developed from the one that used the same tree diagram.
How to become an Elite - Well, it's true there is an aspect to it that they are naturally born with, but the Elites are a military project to thoroughly refine natural talent using even things like electric stimuli and suggestions.
How tough are the Elites - When the treads are used, it can momentarily exceed 12 Gs. Well, that is enough for any normal person to certainly lose consciousness/
The way Elites control their Objects - However, this talent was not some strange psychic power. What was needed was an exceedingly high proficiency in skills anyone could develop such as memory, calculation ability, multitasking, and situational awareness. ... As such, just managing the targeting data required being able to process hundreds of pieces of data at once. The weapons also had secondary target functionality (multiple targets could be locked onto and the sights could be switched between them at any time), so using an Object's abilities to their fullest required following 300 or 400 enemies at once. And that was only for controlling the weaponry. ... Some armies had tried dividing the control among a large crew and some companies had used an AI to simplify the work required. However, using a large crew created a time lag for communication between parts of the Object which led to defeat from an Object that was piloted by a single Elite who could make decisions instantly. When an AI was used, the AI would be unable to respond to any situation unfamiliar to it and therefore was unable to keep up with the flexible strategies of an Elite.
The production of an Object - that would take three or four years to develop from scratch, so it seems there had already been a plan underway to switch over to this new one.
The cost to create an Object - an Object cost at least 5 billion dollars
That's a mechanical monster:)
Thank`s to "Revenger" from the forum "SpaceBattle"