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 Post Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:09 am 
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I came across these scans of the V Gundam novel that detail the history, armaments, minovsky drive unit, etc of the Second V, Uso's upgrade in the novel. I'd like to know why the parts(core, top, base) are labeled with dashes, upgrades perhaps? Also how does the Minovsky shield work, it appears to divide into shield bits that can function as funnels and fire beams. What about the Long Range Beam Cannon and the Weapons Platform? Any upgrades to the minovsky drive unit? No wings of light function? To an obscure unit sure there's a lot of info and details about it.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2467/secondv.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7339/vgundam05013.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5387 ... m05012.jpg


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balofo wrote:
I came across these scans of the V Gundam novel that detail the history, armaments, minovsky drive unit, etc of the Second V, Uso's upgrade in the novel. I'd like to know why the parts(core, top, base) are labeled with dashes, upgrades perhaps? Also how does the Minovsky shield work, it appears to divide into shield bits that can function as funnels and fire beams. What about the Long Range Beam Cannon and the Weapons Platform? Any upgrades to the minovsky drive unit? No wings of light function? To an obscure unit sure there's a lot of info and details about it.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2467/secondv.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7339/vgundam05013.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5387 ... m05012.jpg

Makes me wonder why they didn't just go with this instead of the V2.


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balofo wrote:
I came across these scans of the V Gundam novel that detail the history, armaments, minovsky drive unit, etc of the Second V, Uso's upgrade in the novel. I'd like to know why the parts(core, top, base) are labeled with dashes, upgrades perhaps? Also how does the Minovsky shield work, it appears to divide into shield bits that can function as funnels and fire beams. What about the Long Range Beam Cannon and the Weapons Platform? Any upgrades to the minovsky drive unit? No wings of light function? To an obscure unit sure there's a lot of info and details about it.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2467/secondv.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7339/vgundam05013.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5387 ... m05012.jpg

Makes me wonder why they didn't just go with this instead of the V2.


Because as far as the art goes the 2nd Victory Gundam is basically the original with new attachments to improve functionality. In fact, I'm pretty sure its name can be taken as a literal designation of being another Victory Gundam. Meanwhile the V2 is a new suit from the ground up.


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And more than likely, the Victory 2 is able to function a lot better given it was fully designed and constructed for all that specific additional equipment all at once while the extra add-on equipment for the Victory, like the V-Dash stuff, were made after IIRC, so they're forced to be made based on the Victory's own limitations (like extra generator power for the beam cannons).

So chances are the mega beam cannon of the Victory 2 Buster / Assault-Buster is more powerful than the one on the Second V as would the mega beam shield (which I'd guess the "Minovsky Shield" is based on appearance and function).

Though, based on the little graph in the lower right corner of the 1st image, it also feels like the Second V is meant to be a testbed for the Victory 2 stuff as well; The "First V" ---> "Second V", which adds the Minovsky Drive ---> Next (?).

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What do they mean by "multiple beam rifle"?


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domino wrote:
What do they mean by "multiple beam rifle"?


the multiple is refering to the multiple grenade launcher under the barrel


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 Post subject: Re: Second V
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Oh, would be awesome if it had different rates of fire (like the Nu Gundam's rapid fire beam rifle) or had 2 barrels (like the ZZ Gundam's own)


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This developed type V Gundam is built on the moon factory based on the combat data with the Zanscare Empire. While the base system of the machine is the V Gundam, the addition of the Minovsky Shield and strengthen armor parts increased its defense, and the Mega Beam Cannon, which enables long range firing, based on partial data has specs equal to the firepower of locale specific MAs and specialised heavy MS.

Though this is consistent with the expanded meaning of versatility in the V Gundam, this level of power up, which decreases its overall mobility due to extra weight and generator usage, is said to be impossible for close combat oriented MS thus far. Regardless of this, this is achieved through the installation of the Minovsky Drive Unit. Using the reaction force from a force field as propulsion, it is incomparable to the thrusters and Minovsky Craft systems thus far. In addition, the strain on the generator is dismal and the large surplus of power can be channeled to the weapon systems.

There is no doubt that this new system will become a new standard for all MS from this point onwards. The Second V is worthy of being symbolic of the League Militaire and calls for a new era.

I'll translate the weapons a bit later. After translating this, I really want to see an MG V2 Gundam, even if the Ver.Ka release will have no tech explanation.

UC 0153 was really the pinnacle of tech in Gundam which took a lot of time in-universe to achieve. Of course, all the AUs thereafter took the shortcut from medium tech to ultimate tech.


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Thanks calubin! Eagerly waiting the weapons translations.

I was thinking of opening a topic about beam weapons shenanigans in Victory, like the battleship beam cannon doubling as a beam shield or Uso using the Beam Javelin as beam field trap.


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balofo wrote:
Thanks calubin! Eagerly waiting the weapons translations.

I was thinking of opening a topic about beam weapons shenanigans in Victory, like the battleship beam cannon doubling as a beam shield or Uso using the Beam Javelin as beam field trap.


Well, it's not the first time (timeline-wise) that that was done. The Totuga's spikes on its back in Crossbone Gundam could fire as beam cannons or be used to form a large, powerful beam shield too. I assume it has to do with how the I-Field(s) within works and things like that.

Anyway, the description further makes it feel more like a prelude to the Victory 2. It would be interesting to see the Universal Century (truly) continued and seeing the Minovsky Drive (eventually) become the standard propulsion system on MS (though not with everyone using Wings of Light, lol).

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 Post subject: Re: Second V
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Mega Beam Cannon:
It was just went ahead and named as a "cannon" due to it being a long range use mega particle cannon that possesses destructive power incomparable to standard rifles. During hand to hand combat, the cannon can be released.

Minovsky Drive Unit
A propulsion system that becomes the most special feature of the Second V. Composed of a force field, it gains propulsion by using the reaction force, but there are still incomplete components, hence when the force field is formed, a lot of mega particles is accidentally/unexpectedly released.

Usually, the extend of its output can only be seen as the likes of a flamethrower but when it is at the highest output, by combining with other beam weapons, it pretty much expands into a pair of "wings of light" which can destroy enemies as a beam blade.

Minovsky Shield
The shield in its stored form(refers to diagram) that holds defense equal to that equipped on combat vessels/ships. It is folded and deployed when used. When it is at its highest output, the three shield bits shoots out in three directions and forms a beam curtain with the central component. As this attracts immense energy consumption, it would suspend the running of Mobile Suits other than the Second V which has excess generator output.

Weapons platform
Mounted on the shoulders to hold option weapons. The diagram shows it with the mega beam cannon and minovsky shield, but of course it can mount other weapons or two identical ones.

Minovsky Shield (Expanded/Deployed/Unfolded)
In the deployed state, it can be used as a regular beam shield.
Shield bits can form a huge curtain when shot out.

Beam Rifle
The core unit being the beam pistol is identical to that of the V Gundam
The multiple launcher is a grenade launcher that can be loaded with various rounds

Odd thing is that the article never mentioned any generator upgrades and echos the reliance on the excess output resulting from the low consumption minovsky drive unit. I guess, its generator output is unchanged from the V Gundam at 4780kw, while the V2 Gundam at 7000kw+ can operate more efficiently and can support the entire Assault Buster arsenal.


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 Post subject: Re: Second V
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Thanks calubin! Seem the V2 is the superior upgrade afterall


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 Post subject: Re: Second V
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Japan Wiki actually mentions the Second V with an upgraded generator equal to that of the V2. However, it did comment that its shield is not great at defending in close quarters as its left arm and feet were all cut off by Katejina in one go.


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 Post subject: Re: Second V
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Since this article is discussing tech in V Gundam I will ask here as opposed to a new thread.

I am on episode 16, and enjoying things over all but what is with the beam rotors? I mean I just want someone to explain them in some way that does not make them a complete step backwards as far as ms mobility and technology.


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Andrew86 wrote:
Since this article is discussing tech in V Gundam I will ask here as opposed to a new thread.

I am on episode 16, and enjoying things over all but what is with the beam rotors? I mean I just want someone to explain them in some way that does not make them a complete step backwards as far as ms mobility and technology.


I think the most logical reason for them to invent it is to reduce the use of propellant needed. Since the beam rotors are powered by the reactor, you receive movement without having to exhaust propellant, which means flight without wasting your propellant to use in combat. Basically, I would argue it's most important application is outside battle.

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Yeah, in the absence of subflight systems the only normal way to get MS to fly requires burning some sort of propellant. When you can't transform into a (somewhat more) streamlined shape that means burning a lot of propellant, humanoid shapes not being naturally good at this whole flight thing. The rotors reduce the need for propellant and also double as impromptu beam shields. This presumably allows Zanscare to deploy its suits around Earth without needing large numbers of specialized transports.

Now, exactly how such a system would really work is another question (hi there torque) but if you've watching a show about giant robots it's safe to assume you can suspend disbelief enough to buy the concept.


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 Post subject: Re: Second V
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Contra-rotating blades would eliminate the torque problem. Beyond that, I assume the blades are manipulated in the same manner as beam sabers are formed into novelty shapes, thus providing full flight control. As for generating lift, if a beam shield can stop a physical projectile, then a beam blade ought to be able to push air.

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 Post subject: Re: Second V
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I remember this issue coming up previously.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14218

The rotors allow flight by creating a Minovsky craft like effect. I do not know how much thrust they can generate on their own by pushing air (if they can move with that thrust alone that would make them essentially very primitive Minovsky Crafts.) Though I believe the contained Plasma acts as a gas so I doubt it can push air with any degree of effectiveness.

As for blocking solid projectiles I believe that is usually achieved by simply vaporizing the low mass bullet. (Plasma is ZOINKS HOT)

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