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Re: Z'Gok early type and later type(S Type)

Post by JEFFPIATT » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:58 pm

the capule had issues with it's underwater seals not always working but once on earth a while they would have fixed the issue. it was understandable since there are no actual bodies of water on axis. the earth bound zeon forces would trust an EFN ms desgined on earth to work right. It seems that the federation was moveing to use ms as an support for a navy seal/marine landing squad as opposed to the zeonic obsession to build one man subs that could convert to land use ms.

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Re: Z'Gok early type and later type(S Type)

Post by Gelgoog Jager » Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:01 pm

JEFFPIATT wrote:the capule had issues with it's underwater seals not always working but once on earth a while they would have fixed the issue. it was understandable since there are no actual bodies of water on axis. the earth bound zeon forces would trust an EFN ms desgined on earth to work right. It seems that the federation was moveing to use ms as an support for a navy seal/marine landing squad as opposed to the zeonic obsession to build one man subs that could convert to land use ms.
The Capule's profile does say that it had:

...lost many of the lessons learned by the Principality of Zeon during its amphibious mobile suit development during the One Year War.

But it doesn't specify which are these lessons. JEFFPIATT, can you please indicate us your source and if it mentions any other of these "lost lessons"?

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Re: Z'Gok early type and later type(S Type)

Post by JEFFPIATT » Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:20 pm

i got it confused with the MS-06M dev notes but the capule was designed under the same conditions as the Zaku Marine Type and week seals would be on the top of critical issues for an submarine type ms. i would also beleve that the Zeon remnants would also be concerned after the zaku II M about another space built marine ms and just opt to capture EFN units and use them along with any left over Z'Gok's and other MSM units.

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Re: Z'Gok early type and later type(S Type)

Post by domtropen » Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:56 am

From the ZZ animation Capule seems to be no less [or even more effective] than those accompanying Zakus. Maybe those higher ups in Axis dunno what actually happen in the battle perhaps?

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Re: Z'Gok early type and later type(S Type)

Post by JEFFPIATT » Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:41 pm

it could just be that it was send down with no testing except for computer models and the remaining zeon forces on earth got them to operate as they were intended then again why would you request more space built marine ms when the feddies had some working ones that you captured and even by unicorn the z'gok is still an viable unit sine the fed put navel ms as an low priory.

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Re: Z'Gok early type and later type(S Type)

Post by Gelgoog Jager » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:01 pm

After giving it some thought, I'm thinking that the Capule's main problems were not regarding its mobility, where rather it seems to excel both on the water's surface and underwater, especially in MA mode. Instead, the problem may actually lie on its rather inflexible weapons:

-Lack of arm-mounted weapons: The Z'gok profile's indicates that this allowed easier aiming, which is why even the Gogg's sucessor, the Hygogg, followed the same trend. Oddly enough, the Capule doesn't.

-Unable to fire missiles/torpedoes in MA form: Both on the surface and underwater the Capule needs to switch into MS mode to open its chest and fire its missiles/torpedoes, which probably cause a decrease in crusing speed.

-Unknown weapons: The profile indicates that it has a Laser Beam Eye and a Sonic Blast, both weapons which have yet to be seen, but we can make some assumptions:

a) The Sonic Blast sounds like a weapon meant to affect sonars or affect the pilots of enemy units rather than causing damage, and is also probably meant to be used only underwater. Even if it is a beam weapon of some sort, since it's fixed into the lower torso the entire MS would need to be moved for aiming it.

b) The Laser Beam Eye is either a regular beam weapon or more of a cutting tool, but either way, it's efectiveness underwater is questionable. However, the fact that it's mounted in the eye could mean that it has a wide range of movement for aiming, if it can be moved as the mono-eye sensor of other amphibious MS such as the Acguy or Z'gok. In that case, it do might have some value by enabling the Capule to fire at different directions without moving the entire MS in order to aim, unlike its other weapons.

In comparison, the Zaku Mariner has both a handheld weapon which it can freely aim and torpedo launchers which it can fire while cruising underwater without changing position. These two reasons which seem to stick to the concepts of the Principality's late amphibious MS designs could be the reasons that the Zeon soldiers preferred the Zakus over the Capule.

The one combat area where the Capule beats down the Zaku Mariner would be hand-to-hand combat, since it's claws seem to even be capable of fending off beam sabers, as it is seen on the latest trailer for Gundam Unicorn Ep. 4, where we might be able to witness some more combat capabilities of both models and make a better judgement on them.

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Re: Z'Gok early type and later type(S Type)

Post by balofo » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:18 am

the Capule's Sonic Blast is supposed to be a Beam Cannon, at least in Unicorn novel it was. I think we'll see it in action on 10/16 when the OVA 4 ~8 min preview will be up

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Re: Z'Gok early type and later type(S Type)

Post by Calubin_175 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:12 am

According to the Great Mechanics Amphibious MS Book, the Aqua GM was not designed to fight Zeon aquatic MS, but rather to attack the submarines that carry such said mobile suits. To quell the threat of Zeon aquatic MS, the Federation relies on the Waterproof Gundam, due to its higher specs.

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