Old Gunpla's Manual Scans(pics inside)

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thanks to some bro on /m/, complete manuals for 2 old contributions and a new one:

GM Command
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Hygogg
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V Dash
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EDIT: found old Bawoo manual!!!!!!

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Requesting Bawoo translations on the following:
-Beam Rifle modes
-Grenade Launcher text
-History part that mentions 640 km Beam Cannon and Bawoo Nutter missile(?)
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Bawoo

It has an assault type beam rifle which can switch between sniper mode and rapid firing/automatic firing mode.

The Bawoo Nutter itself can be used as a missile with an effective range of 640km, which is much further than the range of a beam cannon. It can be loaded not only with regular explosives, but nuclear warheads are also considered, hence increasing its strategic value. The maximum carry load is 1800kg.

Grenades have an optical seeker.
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Thanks calubin!

So the Bawoo Nutter interior frame is rigged with explosives, or are they attached to exterior? or it's just propelant being exploded?
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Thanks Leader! Nice contributions, hopefully this motivates others to do the same.
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I forgot to add in regards to the Bawoo, Glemy's input to the modifications to the Bawoo was what led to its success which resulted in its mass production. The idea of the Bawoo Nutter being used as a warhead/missile was only a consideration/proposed idea, so I don't think it was actually practiced.
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If the Zaku III was completed earlier than originally thought and therefore didn't compete with the Dooben Wolf, maybe the mass production Bawoo was the MS that did compete against it. Furthermore, even if the design ended up losing against the Dooben Wolf, I could easily see Glemy pushing the mass production of his former MS anyway.

Regarding the development times, the first MPed Bawoos are seen after the research of the Psycho Gundam Mk II is over and the MS itself has been turned to Glemy to use in actual combat (which results in 3 AMX-107 escorting the shuttle carrying the MRX-010). Furthermore those 3 Bawoos could be pre-production units as we don't see any more until the Battle of Axis, and the rest of the units that are seen on ZZ are all among Glemy's rebel forces, just like the Dooben Wolfs.

IIRC, in another thread it was mentioned that the Bawoo was the most balanced Neo Zeon MS, and particularly the only mass produced Neo Zeon-made unit with a handheld shield during the first Neo Zeon War.
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toysdream wrote:Anaheim wasn't involved in producing the Gabthley or Hambrabi, so this seems unlikely. On the other hand, we see a Marasai with a fedayeen rifle in the Zeta movies - that's obviously where the Gundam UC staff got the idea. So it probably came along with the Marasai in the first place.

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Is Feydeen Rifle itself mass produced by the fed/Titans though?

For Doven Wolf can it really be mass produced in quantities? Compared to Dreissen and such its builtin armaments and specs don't seem to be easy to mass produced.
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The Doven Wolf isn't suitable for a mainstay, it will just be a mass production high tier MS flanked by the more common Dreissen, or operated in homogenous squads separately. Neo Zeon most likely wanted a stable low-tier and a high-tier MS instead of having one standard mainstay MS.
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While I'm inclined to agree that the Dooben Wolf's weapons and specialzied systems would represent a problem for mass production, we should also take note that at that point Neo Zeon has already succeded in mass producing another complex MS as their mainstay MS: the Gaza D.

Although the Gaza C had already been mass produced, its overall design flaws, particularly the limited number of times it could transform, did made a bit questionable if it deserved the status of mass production transformable MS. However, Gaza D seemed to have solved all those issues.

The Gaza D not only posses what seems to be a perfected transformation system, but is also far more heavily armed than its predecessor. The Unicorn version is equipped with:

-Knuckle buster x1
-Beam gun x4 (2 on its backpack and 2 on its feet)
-3-tube missile launcher x2 (MA mode only?)
-14-tube missile launcher x2
-Beam saber x2
-Shoulder mounted shields x2

Furthermore, IIRC basically all MS of the AMX series, even mass produced units such as the Gaza C and Gaza D, have gundarium armor.

By the end of ZZ it becomes apparent that the Gaza C has already been replaced by the Gaza D: at one point about 50 MS are pursuing the Z and ZZ Gundams around the asteroid that is going to be connected to Core 3, and other than 1 Gaza and 1 Ga-Zowmn, the rest are shown to be Gaza D)

My point is, that Neo Zeon had already managed to mass produce a rather a heavily armed tranformable MS already, which do indicates the capability to mass produce compelx MS units.

Finally, while they do can produce good MS, it has been usually pointed out that instead Axis/First Neo Zeon's main problem is actually the lousy skills of most of their pilots who can properly use their MS.
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Mounting load of missiles should not be much of a problem for lots of MSs, but Dooben wolf's reactors and standard weapons seem to be very powerful for mp MSs of its time.

Isn't Axis the one who develop Gundarium Gamma themselves?
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domtropen wrote:Mounting load of missiles should not be much of a problem for lots of MSs, but Dooben wolf's reactors and standard weapons seem to be very powerful for mp MSs of its time.

Isn't Axis the one who develop Gundarium Gamma themselves?
The Dooben Wolf has a generator output of 5250 kw. The mass produced MS with the second largest output would be the Gallus J, with a generator output of 2840 kw. IIRC, the Gallus J was meant to be mass produced in order to fight alongside the Zssa during the Earth Invasion, though the combat record of the prototype used by Mashymere is the most likely the one to blame for it only being achieving a "limited production" run according to Mahq's profile (though by the time of the battle of Axis, the Gallus J is seen deployed in equal numbers as the Zssa and Dreissen, both MS which do were considered successful and therefore mass produced).

My point is that before the first Neo Zeon War we already have a design mean for mass production which has a rather high generator output compared with other models from the same time and it is quite possible that by the end of the conflict technological advances have allowed for more powerful generators to be developed which are cost-efficient for mass production.

An odd case would be the Geymalk, whose Mahq profile indicates that it was meant to be mass produced (which I personally find unlikely due to Neo Zeon's lack of Newtypes at the time). Anyway, that unit has a generator output 8320 kw and is about the same size of the Dooben Wolf, which comes to show that the Dooben Wolf is not using the newest and most powerful generator available for a unit of its size.

Regarding the weapons, the most expensive/complex one would probably be either the incoms (which no other unit uses) or the beam rifle/mega launcher, though the later might not be that expensive with Neo Zeon's knowledge on the field at the time, a result of them already producing a large amount of high power beam weapons by that point, including the Gaza series knuckle buster beam weapons and even the Jamru Fin's hyper mega cannon.

And yes, Axis is the one that developed Gundarium Gamma and basically the one faction that seems to produce every MS using that material.

There's one thing I want to ask: is there any manual/instruction booklet of a Zaku III kit, either the regualr modle or Mashymere's?

I wanted to confirm if the large beam rifle (or is it a hand held beam cannon/launcher?) used by Mashymere's unit may actually be a standard weapon of the regular Zaku III model.

In ZZ we never see a Zaku III using the R-Jarja's beam rifle as depcited in the model kits. On the other hand, the 2 Zaku III units seen among Glemy's rebel forces seem to be carrying the same weapon used by Mashymere's Zaku(photobucket scaled down the picture so it's difficult to check the unit on the back in this picture).
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Gelgoog Jager wrote:An odd case would be the Geymalk, whose Mahq profile indicates that it was meant to be mass produced (which I personally find unlikely due to Neo Zeon's lack of Newtypes at the time).
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The Zaku III actually has a lower generator output than the Dreissen. So probably, it is more suitable as mainstay mass production model.

I see the Dooben Wolf more as a competitor to the Geymark instead.
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AmuroNT1 wrote:
Gelgoog Jager wrote:An odd case would be the Geymalk, whose Mahq profile indicates that it was meant to be mass produced (which I personally find unlikely due to Neo Zeon's lack of Newtypes at the time).
Two words, my friend: Puru Clones.
Do not forget about cyber newtypes. The UC Ace 2 Dreissen manga implies that the process is rather widespread and there are people volunteering for it. Failure rates though seems to be high as well. Of course as it is manga, there is always a question about its officialness, so take it as you will.
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AmuroNT1 wrote:Two words, my friend: Puru Clones.
The problem with that theory is that it seems that Haman didn't know about Glemy's newtype batallion: When Glemy showed the clones stored on the Sandra to August Gidan, it was made very clear that he was keeping them a secret. Also, just before the Glemy's uprising, Puru Two introduces herself to Minerva and Haman, the later which asks her if she is Puru's sister due to her physical appearance. The last part particulalry shows that even just before the civil war, Haman wasn't aware of the Puru clones despite having suspicions regarding Glemy for a long time by then. Such being the case, I'm more inclined to think that the Geymalk was another one of a kind prototype knight MS, just like the Hamma Hamma and R-Jarja.

One thing that I forgot to ask regarding the Geymalk is about its deployment date, which the Mirage of Zeon manga shows already around by the time of the battle at Axis that took place while Haman was on Earth, during which Mashymere piloted a ReGelg.
Calubin_175 wrote:The Zaku III actually has a lower generator output than the Dreissen. So probably, it is more suitable as mainstay mass production model.
Between those two MS, the difference in generator output seems to be too small to consider it a defining factor, unlike the Gallus J or Dooben Wolf, particularly the later which does have a significantly more powerful reactor. Personally I would be more concerned with issues such as armor material (both the Zaku III and Dreissen have in larger amount that other units such as the Gaza types or the Zssa) and specialized systems such as tranformation mechanisms or pyscommu/quasi-psycommu systems.
Calubin_175 wrote:I see the Dooben Wolf more as a competitor to the Geymark instead.
As previously mentioned, the main issue with the Geymalk would be the need for newtype pilots, which the Dooben Wolf doesn't need. The Geymalk's best chance to be mass produced would be:
E08 wrote:Do not forget about cyber newtypes. The UC Ace 2 Dreissen manga implies that the process is rather widespread and there are people volunteering for it. Failure rates though seems to be high as well. Of course as it is manga, there is always a question about its officialness, so take it as you will.
Cyber newtypes do would provide a possible solution to the problem, but during ZZ it seems to be heavily implied that only Mashymere and Chara have undergone that enhancement (or at least succesfully enough to be useful). Considering how flasy their battles are, but more improtantly, how their deaths affect the other newtypes, I'm more inclined to believe so.

Maybe the process to produce cyber newtypes didn't become widespread until after the end of the First Neo Zeon War, something which was probably fueled by the stories of the achievements of Haman's own cyber newtypes.

All that said, I haven't read the manga you mention, so if it does mention something more specific, please share it with us.
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The manga seems to imply that it happens during the first Neo Zeon war as Dreissen are moving in the background. It is also possible that the other cyber newtypes arent that powerful and thus not affected by their deaths.

Besides, the fact that the failure rate is high could be why they drop the plan to mass produce Geymalk.
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I know it's a bit late, but I just now saw this question while reading back through the topic.
Gelgoog Jager wrote:Regarding the Sea Serpent, beside the Zeon Marasais and the Hambrabis, is it ever used by any other unit? That would help us figure out how common or uncommon these weapons actually are.
Actually, waaaaaaaay down the line, the RF Zaku from F90 runs around with a sea serpent. As near as I can tell, it's exactly the same as the one used by the Hambrabi. Not quite sure where they got it from; the origin of the RF Series is said to be the Mars Zeons using tech from the Geara Doga to upgrade their old models to somewhat modern standards. On the other hand, I never heard anything about Char's people having the sea serpent.

EDIT: I just now had an odd thought about some of the information that's been revealed in this topic...

For ages, there's been a debate over what the name "GM" meant, with one of the most popular contenders being "Gundam Mass-Production". Now, the manual for the Jegan notes that at that point in time, the Federation stopped thinking of the GM series as being a mass production version of the Gundam and started thinking of it as its own unique MS line. Maybe I'm just reading too far into things, but I think this bit of information strengthens the argument for "GM = 'Gundam Mass-Production'", since you'll notice that the Jegan marks the point where the name "GM" vanishes completely, replaced by names like Gustav Karl, Heavygun, and Jamesgun. And if you dip into Double-Fake as well, that shows the Feds considered an entirely new mass production line, the GD (Gun Defender) series, which was ultimately rejected in favor of the Jegan.
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Ga Zown manual:

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I guess it mentions:
-250 Gaza Cs produced total for Gryps War
-a mention of the Gaza E
-MMT-1 is Gaza A and MMT-2 is Gaza B
-It uses Weapos units, the standard one carries Semi Active Homing missiles which achieves lockon thru TV Eyes
-It says the Knuckle Duster has received upgrades, only power?
-It uses the same beam saber from Gaza C and D but this one doubles as a beam launcher
-The variation Gazown Gunner uses a different Weapon Unit, it can't transform to MA mode(right?) and the Knuckle Duster has an atttachment to increase range and power?

Perhaps some translator bro could verify my claims
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Specifically, it says that "250 units of the Gaza C were actually produced, but only about 80 units were left after the battle at Gryps 2." Thus Axis scrambled to develop a successor machine, which became the Gaza D, and went on to develop a model with enhanced armament which was codenamed the Gaza E. At the point when the prototype was rolled out, it was renamed the Ga Zowm.

Instead of shields, it's equipped with weapon units, which can be exchanged for other types. Its mobile armor form was designed to function as a fighter-bomber for attacking warships and fortresses, so it has high firepower and maneuverability. (I note that this is the same role played by the Gattle, just as the Zssa has been described as a mobile suit version of assault boats like the Jicco.)

As for its "hyper knuckle buster," it says that its output is lower than previous knuckle busters because it's not a fixed weapon, but it's capable of rapid fire.

The missiles in its weapon units are semi-active homing types, which use infra-red guidance after lockon. If the enemy uses "deception maneuvers" then they can switch to TV eye guidance instead.

The Gunner Type is equipped with weapon units for super-long range firing. In mobile armor form, its knuckle buster is mounted on the left shoulder.

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