Known MSV-R so far

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bluemax151 wrote:So from the looks of the pictures the add on unit utilizes the existing cargo space of the Chimera but extends it and adds a catapult. I wonder if it's integral to the Chimera or if it can be jettisoned in the field? I'm also curious if there's a rear hatch there above those 3 thrusters/rockets?
It doesn't quite extend the existing hangar. Unlike the Lili Marleen, the regular Zanzibar doesn't have a rear hatch. They only have one hatch at the bottom which is large enough to fit a MA. Having the catapult right below that hatch makes sense since it would allow MS from both sections to have direct access to it for deployment.

The square hatch of the support unit that connects to the Zanzibar corresponds to the area where the Zanzbar's 4 thrusters are located. The hatch at the rear does look big enough for an MS to launch from it.
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Looks like there actually might be some form of thrust at the top of the add on unit. The piece up there looks suspiciously like a Macross VF-1 backpack.
I suppose that could be the case. At least the Late Production Musai from 0083 also uses a similiar type of thruster that also looks like a vent.

I just realized this, but if the Chimera supposedly had that unit attached to it all along, can we now discard the possibility of it being the ship that got shot down during Kycillia’s attempt to escape A Baoa Qu?
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Sorry for the double post, but I just noticed something very interesting:

As you might know the MSV-R Gelgoogs include the CCM-91 on their shoulders indicating that the Zanzibar Class ship "Chimera"(numbered CCM-91), is their mothership.

I recently uploaded some scans from Federation MSV-R units, and to my surprise some of the Federation GM variants also indicate their respective motherships:

First we have the GM Guard Custom, which has the CV-69 number on it's shoulder:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... 9MSVRd.jpg

While there's no CV-69 I'm aware of, there's the SCV-69 which is the first ship of the Pegasus class, likewise named Pegasus.

Another GM variant which seems based on the GM Sniper Custom has SCV-71 on it's shoulder:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... 9MSVRg.jpg

The SCV-71 is none other than the White Base Jr., the third ship of the Pegasus class.

If the current trend of MSV-R units continue, we might see in the future two Pegasus class variants.
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The SVC71 unit 5(?) is a GM interceptor custom.
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I'm not convinced that the "CV69" marking on the GM Guard Custom indicates the Pegasus. For that matter, they seem to have been mixing up the "SCV" prefix pretty consistently in the MSV-R series; the marking on the GM Intercept Custom actually reads "SVC 71," and the G-Fighter Space Type is labeled "SVC-72".

Just FYI, the GM Cannon (Space Assault Version) is labeled "SBB 17", which is the hull number for the Magellan-class battleship Luzal.

And now that I've finally seen higher-res scans of the Chimaera pages, I see this month's "FSS Action Graphic" actually addresses the question of whether than blue Gelgoog belongs to Robert Gilliam! On the one hand, it resembles the colors of his MS-06R-2, and some materials (i.e. Entertainment Bible 39) say he piloted a YMS-14. On the other hand, there's no record of Gilliam joining the Ace Corps, and the aforementioned source (i.e. Entertainment Bible 39) lists him with the wrong rank, so it may not be reliable. As usual, the FSS writeup is inconclusive.

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In fact if my katakana is right then that says GM intercept Gundam meaning its booster pack is meant for interception missions. no?
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I've been away for far too long, and now they're dumping all of these new and wonderful machines on us. It's driving me nuts.

What, exactly, do we know about these bad boys? About this series? I see unit designations and names and speculation on Robert Gilliam, but... nothing really substantive regarding any of the models. Having absolutely no knowledge of Japanese, I am at your mercy: what the hell are the names of all these things, and what the hell is their purpose? I'm trying to sift through everything in this thread and its confusing the crap out of me.

On one side, I recognize the MS-06G Zaku II and MS-06A Zaku II -- those have been floating around forever, and I guess MSV-R finally had to let them out to breathe. Same with the MS-06S Zaku II, which looks like it's the Black Tri-stars' model.

There's a new GM Cannon, RGM-80S; which I'm guessing is a space-oriented unit, and the "S" in its designation is like the "S" in the RGM-79GS GM Command.

And then three new "xC" GM Custom variants that look like they're based off of the RGM-79SC GM Sniper Custom (and I see an "SC" with a modified loadout in there), but they're "HC" and "KC," and they look awesome.

And to top that off, a wicked MS-07W Gouf. Its colors (and the colors of the accompanying Dopp), and the general embroidery of the paint scheme, make me think of the Zabi units -- particularly Garma's MS-06Fs. Perhaps a unit meant for Garma that never made it, or is it something else?

Must... know... more... :shock:

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The latest MSV-R unit is Johnny Ridden's customized MS-06S. It seems to use the same 120mm zaku machinegun with heat bayonet previously seen with the Black Tri-Stars MS-06S, and a modified 280mm zaku bazooka:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... S-06Sd.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... S-06Se.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... S-06Sf.jpg

Originally I thought Johnny Ridden had switched directly from his customized MS-06F to his MS-06R-2, as seen in the PS2 game, Encounters in Space, but if he did use an MS-06S, maybe he didn't actually had a F-type Zaku in his personal colors.

At this rate, it's possible we will end up seeing a Shin Matsunaga's S-type Zaku.
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Some of the info we do know about MSV-R units is already in this thread and at the contributions thread:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7466&start=280

Edit: fixed one of the links
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Boo yeah. Muchas gracias. :D

Gdddrrrrr... hold up. The W-type Gouf uses that Dopp as the equivalent of a Core Fighter? And why does this scan show it in possession of the Federation?
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MSV-R is supposed to be a federation report on very rare MS and the manga even shows that while some units seem to be captured units, other are simply computer simulations.

As for the MS-07W, it's quite possible that it was captured when the Federation took back California Base before the end of the One Year War.

A similiar case would be when the federation captured the experimental Efreet Nacht when they recaptured the Odessa mining base.

As for the dopp core fighter, Garma was quite impressed when he learned that the Core Figther was part of the Gundam, so it's possible he requested a MS with the same capability. The color scheme is indeed the same as Garma's.

IIRC in real life, the MS-07W was a design that won a contest and Kunio Okawara decided to make it official.
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I think the "Real Type" colors are just meant to be a more "realistic" military color scheme.
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Next MSV-R is already out:

YMS-09J

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... S-09Ja.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... S-09Jb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... S-09Jc.jpg

Dom High Speed Test Type?

It's main weapon seems to be heat halberd which can be folded into a heat hawk.

Can't help thinking that this unit might be a sort of missing link between the standard MS-09 Dom and the MS-09G Dowadge.

Translations of the text would be deeply appreciated.
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Okey dokey, here's what I've found on this bad-boy based on those scans, myah, and a little help from Google translator and my wonderful older brother (gotta love Gundam geek brother bonding time!). This is all just a mix of sifting Engrish and a "so-so" understanding of Japanese, so you guys correct me where I go wrong.

Anyway it seems to be called the YMS-09J Dom High Speed Test Type (like you said). If I'm getting this right, its made to test improvements in acceleration. Many of its features are based on/inspired by data and design ideas from the MS-07H and MS-07H4 Gouf Flight Test Types, like the backpack stabilizers and the airfoils on the legs.

Apparently there was more than one configuration of the unit. The first unit tested with the original configuration had balance issues and crashed, but the second added the airbrakes and stabilizers and did fine (so I'm guessing that its this latter configuration that we see).

In total there were nine units produced in Northern Europe, but the design was never formally adopted because Operation Odessa broke the European front and sent the Principality forces packing. After the war, the African Liberation Front apparently got their hands on some of these J-types and painted them in desert camo.

There're some numbers in there -- I think that the first model was supposed to have 90% of the operating time of the original Dom, while being 50% faster and being able to reach top-speed in 80 seconds. The second, I think, was 140% faster than the vanilla MS-09 Dom and was able to reach its maximum velocity in 115 seconds. Pretty sure that's wrong, though, so somebody fix that up.
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I imagine the Halberd is a call back to the Dreissen. Maybe it's one of the precursors? But there's so many Dom types. Rick Dom II, Dowadge, Pezun Dowadge, Dom Funf, Dom Tropen, Dowas and now this.
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It seems there's already a hint on what one of the future MSV-R units will be:

http://ngeekhiong.blogspot.com/2010/09/ ... -from.html

For those that haven't heard about it, the MS-07W that appeared as a MSV-R unit a while ago was also a design that Okawara chose as a winner of a contest.

Personally, I would prefer to see a MSV of a Federation figther or warship.
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heres another one, the ball mine layin type
http://s216.photobucket.com/albums/cc8/ ... r03_01.jpg
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Sorry for the lack of updates. I had lost two of the sites where I used to get the MSV-R pics from. Anyway, I'm including the scans for 6 MSV-R units, including the RB-79M that newageheretic already pointed out. My comments on the units are only based on what I can tell from the scans since I can't read japanese. Comments and corrections are welcome.

First some the Zeon units:

MA-05R:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... A-05Ra.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... A-05Rb.jpg

On one hand this unit seems to be an alternative design to the MA-05Ad Big Rang. On the other hand, the large booster/container keeps reminding me of the weapon containers that the MSM-07Di Ze'Gok carried. The appearance of Robert Gilliam's MS-06R-2 on the scans seems to hint that the unit was used by him at A Baoa Qu(background).

MSM-07N:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... M-07Na.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... M-07Nb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... M-07Nc.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... M-07Nd.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... M-07Ne.jpg

On the bright side, this unit has a camouflage painting, an extra camera/antenna on it's head and two shields with blades. The downside is that it's missile launchers and claws have been removed. Maybe it's supposed to be a recon unit?

And now the Federation's units:

RB-79M:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... B-79Ma.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... B-79Mb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... B-79Mc.jpg

A ball carrying 48 mines and some additional sensors. Not much too add here.

RGM-79U:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... M-79Ua.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... M-79Ub.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... M-79Uc.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... M-79Ud.jpg

The Federation finally gets a second amphibious unit, although it seems that like the MSM-07N, it's a recon unit, especially considering what seem to be a detachable camera and what looks like some handheld camera gun. The extra parts on the legs and backpack seem detachable, maybe it's more of an optional equipment rather than a new MS?

RX-77-3D:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... 77-3Da.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... 77-3Db.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... 77-3Dc.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... 77-3Dd.jpg

This unit seems to be a high mobility version of the RX-77-3, especially considering the addition of extra thrusters to it's legs and backpack. The bazooka and shield seem like good additions for a ground combat unit. The football helmet looks a bit out of place though.

RX-78 SP:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... -78SPa.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... -78SPb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... -78SPc.jpg

Yet another unit that seems to be used for recon. Not only does it not have beam sabers, but it has plenty of cameras and even a radome. The beam rifle looks more similiar to a Gelgoog's beam rifle. Maybe a post OYW unit that used Zeon technology?

If anyone can please provide names and/or any other info about these units, I would deeply appreciate it.
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MA-05R
BIGRO ROUGH
MSM-07N
RAM Z´GOK
RB-79M
BALL MINE SCATTER TYPE
RGM-79U
GM SLOOP
RX-77-3D
GUNCANNON HEAVY ARMS TYPE 3D
RX-78SP
GUNNER GUNDAM

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Actually, the MA-05R is named "Big Ruf" or something along those lines. And Jager's suspicion is correct; the text explicitly mentions the Ze'Gok in reference to that large booster (weapon container?).

As for the Ram Z'Gok, it's actually listed as an anti-ship type. It has the claw shields, and they draw attention to the head fin, but I'm afraid the scan is too small for me to make anything out.
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Good guesses by Gelgoog Jaeger! Let me fill in a little more info on these.

MA-05R Big Ruf: An attack version of the Bigro with pylons for carrying large weapon payloads, as with the Ze'Gok. Three units (converted from existing Bigro units) were rolled out at A Baoa Qu in early December of U.C. 0079, and fitted with modified versions of the anti-ship missiles used in the fortress's defenses. The missile itself was more than 100 meters long, and the Bigro was equipped with extra booster units to offset the extra weight. During testing, one of the units was piloted by Captain Robert Gilliam and painted in his blue personal colors, but apparently somebody else piloted it during the Battle of A Baoa Qu. All three units were reported lost during the actual battle.

As an aside, I think this may tie into the central plot of the ongoing Johnny Ridden comic in Gundam Ace. There's a mystery being built up around the pilot of the blue Gelgoog (previously shown in an FSS Action Graphic in the MSV-R features), and during the battle of A Baoa Qu this pilot apparently dueled Johnny Ridden over some kind of mysterious large object that was being escorted by the Chimera Fleet. The obvious supposition would be that the Chimera Fleet was escorting a nuke-laden Big Ruf, and that the blue Gelgoog (presumably piloted by Gilliam) was defending it from Ridden's interference, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

MSM-07N Ram Z'Gok: Looks stupid, but it's actually not a bad idea. Apparently the Z'Gok's "iron nails" were prone to get stuck in the target, forcing the pilot to detach the arm with built-in explosive bolts. This version was designed specifically for anti-ship attacks, with a head-mounted heat ram and detachable "claw shields" that could be easily jettisoned if they got stuck. (Perhaps these were inspired by the Zee Zulu from Gundam Unicorn?) It still has the original mega particle cannons, too.

RB-79F Ball Type F: An improved model of Ball with extra protective armor, and a booster pack that contained additional thrusters and propellant. These modifications could easily be applied to existing RB-79 units.

RB-79M Ball Type M (Minelayer Pod Equipped Type): Also known as the "Locker Ball" thanks to its oversized minelayer pods. These were converted from existing RB-79 and RB-79F units, and used for interception during fleet battles - the accompanying FSS Action Graphic shows them laying mines along their fleet's defense perimeter. Experimental operation began in October of U.C. 0079.

RGM-79U GM Sloop: Contrary to appearances, this isn't an unarmed recon type, and there are even reports of it destroying Zeon amphibious machines in combat. The GM Sloop was one of several plans considered by the Federation Forces to quickly develop amphibious mobile suits, and in this case ballast tanks and hydrojet engines would be attached to an unmodified GM (with just a little extra waterproofing). Since the GM didn't have built-in underwater sensors, it was equipped with a periscope-style sensor pod and a handheld sonar gun instead. This plan was one of the few that made it into production, and the GM Sloop rolled out in November of U.C. 0079, but the plan was ultimately rolled into the RAG-79 Aqua GM and the existing units were converted back into regular GMs.

RX-77-3D Guncannon Heavy Custom (Type D): This version of the RX-77-3 is designed for improved mobility, with extra verniers on its legs and backpack, and a shield that serves as a balancing counterweight while jumping. Only a few units were produced before the introduction of the RX-77-4, and the accompanying FSS Action Graphic shows one fighting on the African front at the end of the war. I suspect the shoulder armor and face guard were intended to suggest a link to the RX-77D Guncannon Mass Production Type.

RX-78SP Gunner Gundam: The winner of the second reader contest. This was a postwar design with improved medium-range support capabilities, which was announced with great fanfare in June of U.C. 0080. It's believed that the design was based on that of the Heavy Gundam. However, it was decided that the existing RX-78-6 design already covered these requirements, and the project never progressed beyond the mockup stage. Notable features include a retractable eye shield (resembling that of the Heavy Gundam), a new backpack with sensor and jamming equipment, beam sabers stored in the legs, and a long-range beam rifle which incorporates some Zeon technology.

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