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 Post subject: Known MSV-R so far
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:48 am 
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Can someone please list the MSV-R units published so far?

So far I can only count:

MS-06G
MS-09 for cold climates
G-figther space type and ground bombardment type
MS-14BR and MS-14C-1A

According to these pictures:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/MS-09colda.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/MS-14BR.jpg

The cold climate Dom is volume 5, while the new Gelgoogs are from volume 7.

The G-figthers should be volume 6 (at least I seem to recall they showed up after the Dom), and the Zaku is probably volume 4.

So which are volumes 1, 2 and 3?

By the way, someone took seriously PS3 Gundam Crossfire's idea for carrying weapons on the shoulder:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/MS-09coldb.jpg

And the MG Gelgoog's beam rifle with the attached grenade launcher appears again:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/MS-14C-1A.jpg

Finally, does anyone has the pics for the other volumes? I have seen some cropped sections from the MS-06G and G-Figthers volumes, but not the entire images, like the ones I posted.


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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:49 am 
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Japanese wiki also lists a RGC-80S GM Cannon Space Assault Type. It was actually from the issue that came out in September(October Issue).

I remembered if each of the G-Fighter variants are counted as an individual volume, the numbering will seem coherent.


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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:17 am 
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Gelgoog Jager,

maybe I can help you with the following since I am lacking pictures as well:

GundamAce 2009/06 & GundamAce 2009/10:
MS-06G Zaku II High Mobility Land Battle Type

GundamAce 2009/08 & GundamAce 2009/10:
MS-09 Dom Cold Climate use

GundamAce 2009/10:
RX-78-2 Gundam Real Type

GundamAce 2009/10:
RGC-80S GM Cannon Space attack use

GundamAce 2009/10:
G-Fighter Real Type

GundamAce 2009/07 & GundamAce 2009/10:
G-Fighter Space Type

GundamAce 2009/07, GundamAce 2009/08 & GundamAce 2009/10
G-Fighter Amphibious assault type

GundamAce 2009/07 & GundamAce 2009/10
G-Fighter Ground bombardment type

If I get time I will cover them with detailed information in the Contributions section.

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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
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Thanks for the info Gundam Enzyklopadist.

I feel a bit dissapointed that both the Real color type Gundam and G-figther take up a volume, especially considering that they seem to be the units we know with a different color scheme.

I knew about the space type and ground bombardment type, but it's the first time I hear about the G-Figther amphibious assault type. Haven't seen any pics of it either.

If they are making so many variations from the same machine, one after another, I wouldn't have minded seeing a cold climate Zaku (IIRC there was one on a video from a Gihren's Greed video game) or a trainer Zaku.

But, if each variation takes up a volume, does that mean that the MS-14BR is volume 7 while the MS-14C-1A is volume 8?

By the way, can anyone please translate the text of the MSV-Rs from my previous post?


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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:23 pm 
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Gelgoog Jager wrote:
I feel a bit dissapointed that both the Real color type Gundam and G-figther take up a volume, especially considering that they seem to be the units we know with a different color scheme.


While we're on the subject, is that all the Real Types boil down to--new color schemes? I would like to think the "Real Type" moniker would denote some sort of change in construction, but I wouldn't be surprised at this point if it's really just a new coat of paint.

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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
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The Real Type's kind of make sense in the context of the release of the MG Gundam Real Type ver.2.0 and MG G-Fighter Real Type. It's not as if MSV-R is made up of super ground breaking stuff to start with (3 cannon variants with different cannons!), it's pretty much just nostalgia and minor hole filling (and frankly establishing the Real Type outside of its model line and making a Real Type G-Fighter to match is filling holes)

One of the other lineart bits shows that the Dom Cold Climate's weapon carrying layout is derived from the Prototype Dom. The MS-14C-1A weapon lineart has the rarely seen arm rocket launcher in addition to the grenade launcher beam rifle.


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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
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I had a rough read of the Gelgoog articles, here is what I've got:

The Chimera Corps were allowed to have their Gelgoogs customized with approval from headquarters. Since the addition thursters on the blue Gelgoog resembles that of the MS-06R, the letter R was attached to the existing model number. I don't quite understand the next line, it is something along the lines of two Gelgoogs being modified into the BR type in the Zimmad factory, with one being assigned to the Chimera Corps.

The MS-14C-1A, with prolonging operation limit in mind, is modified by adding propellant tanks onto its legs. The backpack that resembles that of the B type serves as an option for this model. However, judging from its head, it is inherently a C type. It can be fitted with either backpack corresponding to mission requirements.


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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
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Here's the real type
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s51/ ... svrno4.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
 Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:20 pm 
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Thanks for the pic bluemax151.

By the way, I may be going a bit out of topic, but anyone knows what happened to Harmony of Gundam?

They were also adding new MSVs, but it has been a long time since I last heard of them.

The only designs I'm aware they added are:

MS-05L
MS-09K-1
MS-09K-2

RAG-79
RGM-79FP

2 new RX-78GP02 variants:
-Beam Bazooka type (meant to be used by Zeon)
-MLRS type (meant to be used by the Federation)


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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
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Sorry for the double post, but the latest gundam ace provides a recap and images of the MSV-R units so far. There's also a scan with the latest MSV-R unit, the FA-78-1B. I'll post some pics later tonight.

Edit: Sorry for the delay, here they are:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/MSV-Rd.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/MSV-Re.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/MSV-Rf.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/MSV-Rg.jpg

I should point out that the RGM-79HC had already appeared on Gundam Kizuna:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/RGM-79HC.jpg
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:dZPN8tubRSoJ:www.gundam-kizuna.jp/system/mobilesuit.php+http://www.gundam-kizuna.jp/system/mobilesuit.php&cd=1&hl=es&ct=clnk&gl=mx&client=firefox-a


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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
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Sorry for the triple post, but I'm adding the one I missed:

A scan of the newest MSV-R, a Full Armor Gundam variant:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/FA-78-1Ba.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
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The Gouf variant there, I noticed the twin shields but is it coupled with one of the Dopps, is this variant Garma's Gouf? It looks like it has a similar color scheme to his Zaku commander.

As for the three G armors, did one of them seem like a core fighter was just slapped ontop of it?

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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
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That's the fan contest, er, for lack of a better term Core Dopp Gouf.

Those G-Armors all have different weapon pods mounted on the back turret. Missile pods on the first two, and by usual OYW conventions, rocket pods on the third.


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 Post Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:10 pm 
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MSV-R finally takes thing to a new level by introducing ship variations.

This time they introduce us the flagship of the Chimera Corps, the Chimera itself:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/Kimeraa.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/Kimerab.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/YFX-600R_GuAIZ_EFT/Kimerac.jpg

The upgrade the Chimera received seems to consist in additional hangar capacity through an additional facility at the bottom of the rear of the ship, a MS catapult and more propellant capacity (at least that what the rear block section looks to me). I do find odd that the would reduce the number of rear rocket thusters from 4 to 3. Does that mean that speed was sacrificed in exchange of more MS facilities?


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Well by that time zeon would have seen how much better the Pegasus class was doing and seeing how the war was moving in to space they were probably trying to get there ships to deploy ms faster then the normal class could since the Zanzibar class was a armed drop ship rather than an effective battle ship. since this ship was host to prototype ms it would make sense to sacrifice speed to better support ms.

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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
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Right, the Chimaera's main job was supporting the Ace Corps in flight tests, rather than engaging in combat. Can't wait to see the actual pages so I can read the explanatory text.

I'm really liking the MSV-R series so far, even with the occasional weirdness. I'll probably write up profiles for these once I'm done with Z-MSV and Gaia Gear.

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It really brings back the MSV hype and One Year War.

I am surprised they have yet named the pilots for the two custom Gelgoogs introduced few issues prior. Maybe they'll be elaborated in some Led Wayline flashback in the MSV-R manga.


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In a previous thread about Zeon Ace pilots, I pointed out that there are several hints that indicate that the Chimera Corps' blue MS-14BR belongs to Robert Gilliam, one Zeon's top aces and also pilot of one of the 4 MS-06R-2 ever made.


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 Post subject: Re: Known MSV-R so far
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The MSV-R series has been very coy about naming pilots. Perhaps this is in the name of verisimilitude.

According to the old MSV books (from the same writers), the Zeons tended to trumpet the achievements of their favored ace pilots, while the Federation downplayed the role of individuals and was very paranoid about declassifying the details of military operations. This is one reason why most of the One Year War aces we know about were Zeon pilots, who were promoted by the Principality's propaganda machine.

In the context of MSV-R, which is supposed to be a research project conducted by the FSS research company, the background info is even more fragmentary. The MSV-R project is devoted to tracking down the most obscure undocumented machines, most of which are depicted only in fragmentary and partially explained documentary photos. The text pieces that accompany each "photo" make it very clear how little info FSS could find on these events.

On the Federation side, then, we have the military's fondness for secrecy and aversion to publicizing individual pilots. (A couple of the GM variants are identified as belonging to specific teams, but there are no named pilots.) On the Zeon side, most of the famous aces have already been documented, and most of the MSV-R machines are from late in the war so the Zeon propaganda division didn't have a chance to publicize their activities.

All we're really left with, then, is circumstantial evidence. I agree it's quite likely that the High Mobility Gelgoog Kai belongs to Robert Gilliam, and I have a strong suspicion that the Dom Cold Districts Type - converted from a reserve machine that was assigned to a special forces team, which was shipped over from Europe after that team was wiped out - may have originally belonged to the Black Tri-Stars.

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It would kind of make sense for the Federation to not publicize their own aces to protect them from possible assassination attempts. Not to mention it gives all the glory/loyalty to the "Federation" and not to individuals within it's ranks. Obviously Revil is an exception of sorts.

So from the looks of the pictures the add on unit utilizes the existing cargo space of the Chimera but extends it and adds a catapult. I wonder if it's integral to the Chimera or if it can be jettisoned in the field? I'm also curious if there's a rear hatch there above those 3 thrusters/rockets?

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Looks like there actually might be some form of thrust at the top of the add on unit. The piece up there looks suspiciously like a Macross VF-1 backpack.

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